07-26-2021, 09:53 AM
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#341
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by flambers
A true top line right winger, Blake Coleman is more of a 3rd liner.
He definitely fills a need for the team, but does not help them in terms of 1st line right Winger in my opinion.
High energy player, etc.....
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If they miss on Eichel, trade Tkachuk and sign Landeskog.
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07-26-2021, 09:55 AM
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#342
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1qqaaz
... If Carolina has the willpower to avoid paying Hamilton, and Calgary doesn't have the willpower to avoid paying Coleman, I think that says a lot.
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The two teams are operating in completely different circumstances, though. It is much easier for Carolina to do what they are doing in relative anonymity compared to what the Flames are trying to accomplish under the glaring spotlight provided by media and fans. When even your facial expressions and body-language on draft-day become topics of intense interest, it is going to affect the results of your job performance.
Unfortunately, it is just much, much harder to build teams in hockey-mad, entitled and unreasonably unforgiving Canadian markets than almost anywhere in the US—especially the hockey-hinterland of Raleigh.
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07-26-2021, 10:06 AM
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#343
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Does anyone happen to know what Elliotte's track record is for predicting free agent numbers?
Without looking anything up, my guess would be that his predictions are usually higher than what the player actually signs for because he'll be getting fed those numbers by the agents and the agents are trying to pump up their own clients.
So, if he's saying $5 million x 6 years (or $6 million x 5 years), should we assume the actually numbers will come in slightly lower?
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07-26-2021, 10:11 AM
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#344
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak
Does anyone happen to know what Elliotte's track record is for predicting free agent numbers?
Without looking anything up, my guess would be that his predictions are usually higher than what the player actually signs for because he'll be getting fed those numbers by the agents and the agents are trying to pump up their own clients.
So, if he's saying $5 million x 6 years (or $6 million x 5 years), should we assume the actually numbers will come in slightly lower?
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He has been way over, several times.
I believe that he often uses agent info (which reflects the ask more than it does the market)
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07-26-2021, 10:19 AM
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#345
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: VanCity
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Quote:
Originally Posted by getbak
Does anyone happen to know what Elliotte's track record is for predicting free agent numbers?
Without looking anything up, my guess would be that his predictions are usually higher than what the player actually signs for because he'll be getting fed those numbers by the agents and the agents are trying to pump up their own clients.
So, if he's saying $5 million x 6 years (or $6 million x 5 years), should we assume the actually numbers will come in slightly lower?
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Gross. I understand that you need to entice free agents but yikes I would not be happy with term or pay. Taylor Hall deal would be a steal compared to this if Tre signs Coleman to anywhere close to the rumored deal.
I'd rather develop Zary or Pelletier and save our money. Better investment.
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07-26-2021, 10:21 AM
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#346
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatoon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
This is why you never see actual contenders chasing free agents to fill holes in their team. They always use free agency to bring in secondary pieces for depth, not as primary pieces.
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Lol, not even close to true. And Coleman is a secondary piece.
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07-26-2021, 10:21 AM
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#347
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
This is why you never see actual contenders chasing free agents to fill holes in their team. They always use free agency to bring in secondary pieces for depth, not as primary pieces.
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Who are you counting as "actual contenders"?
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07-26-2021, 12:13 PM
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#348
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Was Vegas a contender when they traded for pending UFA Stone?
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07-26-2021, 12:14 PM
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#349
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatoon
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Was Vegas a contender when they traded for pending UFA Stone?
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And signed UFA Pietrangelo last off season.
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07-26-2021, 12:17 PM
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#350
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Was Vegas a contender when they traded for pending UFA Stone?
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Yes,
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07-26-2021, 12:18 PM
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#351
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Was Vegas a contender when they traded for pending UFA Stone?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flamesgod
And signed UFA Pietrangelo last off season.
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losers
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07-26-2021, 12:19 PM
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#352
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flamesgod
And signed UFA Pietrangelo last off season.
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Vegas took a swing for the fences…. They are likely starting to exit their window.
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07-26-2021, 12:20 PM
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#353
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
Vegas took a swing for the fences…. They are likely starting to exit their window.
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Like Calgary. They have to get something done this year, or burn it down.
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07-26-2021, 12:22 PM
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#354
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sofa GM
Vegas took a swing for the fences…. They are likely starting to exit their window.
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I would rather this team swings for the fences than continues to keep this stale lineup from the last few years. If it doesn't work then everyone gets their wish of a tear down rebuild once Sutters contract is done.
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07-26-2021, 12:24 PM
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#355
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saskatoon
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Chicago signed Hossa, which got them over the top.
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07-26-2021, 12:26 PM
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#356
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flamesgod
Chicago signed Hossa, which got them over the top.
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With a franchise center, franchise winger, and bonafide top D pairing.
Flames are short on all fronts.
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07-26-2021, 12:26 PM
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#357
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flamesgod
Chicago signed Hossa, which got them over the top.
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Yeah good point, I take back that it never happens. I guess the point I was making that the true contenders (ie Colorado, Tampa etc.) augment with secondary pieces and depth than growing their core with top tier players through free agency
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07-26-2021, 12:27 PM
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#358
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flamesgod
Chicago signed Hossa, which got them over the top.
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Different tier of player, and different time in the hockey world.
Hossa's deal today would be like if Aleksander Barkov hit free agency and then signed a cap-circumventing 12-year contract...which can't happen, as those 12-year cap-circumventing deals don't exist anymore.
Last edited by ComixZone; 07-26-2021 at 12:30 PM.
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07-26-2021, 12:28 PM
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#359
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
If they miss on Eichel, trade Tkachuk and sign Landeskog.
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I would like this a lot, I believe we could get a really good haul for Tkachuk (although I don’t care much for what is being proposed from St. Louis).
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07-26-2021, 12:35 PM
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#360
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Originally Posted by Sofa GM
Yeah good point, I take back that it never happens. I guess the point I was making that the true contenders (ie Colorado, Tampa etc.) augment with secondary pieces and depth than growing their core with top tier players through free agency
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Coleman would be a secondary piece, not part of the core.
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