Rumour: Blake Coleman to Calgary

[Cecil Terwilliger]

You can also love a sport and not follow the off-season transactions. CBA, salary cap, trade bait, arbitration, RFA, NTC/NMCs and all that crap are only interesting to a very small subset of sports fans. All that armchair GM stuff really.

I know several extremely knowledgeable and dedicated sports fans who only care about on ice/field results. They’ll maybe see blockbusters but otherwise don’t care.

For example, I know a couple of fans who have no idea so many flames fans are butthurt over Adam Fox. The guy legit wasn’t on their radar until he won the Norris. The fact he was traded by us gets a shoulder shrug. Oh well, we landed Lindholm and Hannifin instead. No big deal.

Actually this applies to me for every sport I follow except the NHL and F1. All others I’m completely indifferent to all but the blockbuster headlines. My interests are purely in the sport itself and almost none of the business/player movement. CFB, CFL, soccer, NFL, MLB. I’ll peek at the off-season threads but generally I don’t care at all.

[FanIn80]

I reserve all my stress for reacting to things that actually happen, as opposed to worrying about things that may or may not happen.

Life's to short to wig out over a reporter guessing what a future contract may or may not look like.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Life's too short to wig out over a reporter guessing what a future contract may or may not look like.

Actually wigging out takes very little time. It's all that listening to facts and weighing evidence stuff that uses up the precious hours. If you skip that part and go straight to KABOOM, life is more than long enough.

Seems like some CPers value the time-efficient wig-out.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yeah we laugh at Hyman but then this news comes down. I think I’d rather have Hyman.

Leafs hype...Colman is at least as good and an actual winner

[djsFlames]

Coleman is easily in the same ballpark as Hyman. And just a 1 year age difference, so basically at the same point in their careers as well.

Of course no matter what Hyman will score more simply because he'll get to bounce McDavid shots in off his butt, but Coleman could contribute more all around and add a winning resume. And he didn't do what he's done next to guys like Matthews and Marner.

If it's 5.5 x 7 for Hyman vs 5 x 6 for Coleman (both bad contracts, IMO), I'd probably take Coleman.

[robertsfanatic]

I don't think that contract is unreasonable for Coleman. He's better than Goodrow who is making 3.6 x 6

[Poe969]

A Coleman deal needs to start with a 4 IMO. Good player and all but you can't keep paying bottom 6 players more than that ,and if the plan is to make him a top 6 player this team is in trouble.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Poe969

A Coleman deal needs to start with a 4 IMO. Good player and all but you can't keep paying bottom 6 players more than that ,and if the plan is to make him a top 6 player this team is in trouble.

Can't disagree, but if you want to play the UFA game, you generally need to overpay, especially for sought after players.

And Coleman has lots of suitors.

He'll get closer to Hyman money, maybe more with a bit less term.

Teams will need to plug their noses to agree to that, but someone will.

[Poe969]

Then don't sign him and promote from within. You don't win the cup by overpaying free agents, accumulate assets and make good trades. Imagine if the Flames had their own version of coleman in the organization, he'd be on an entry level deal.

[1qqaaz]

The Carolina Hurricanes have made 33 draft picks in the past 3 years. Yes, 33. Averaging 11 per year. For comparison's sake, Falkovsky (2016, turns 25 this year) was the Flames' 33rd most recently drafted pick.
They were 3rd in the NHL by points percentage and goal differential.

They have only had one top 10 pick since 2015.
They have 30 million in cap space. They have only 2 players over 30.

Good asset and cap management can really get you far. Especially when combined with drafting and developing.
Even though they've made bad trades and let people walk for nothing, the sheer discipline of their asset management has turned them into a contender.


If you're not going to tank and rebuild, that's the next option. How many overpaid Colemans do they have? None.

[jar_e]

I don’t disagree that the Hurricanes have drafted a ton but they also haven’t truly promoted with in either.

Of their current signed/holding rights NHL roster, only 8 were drafted by the Hurricanes. 14 were either signed or traded for. For reference, Calgary has 9 drafted and 15 traded for or signed.

Is their prospect pool deep? Yes. But the team they iced last year to be so competitive came with smart UFA signings and trades as well.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The Carolina Hurricanes have made 33 draft picks in the past 3 years. Yes, 33. Averaging 11 per year. For comparison's sake, Falkovsky (2016, turns 25 this year) was the Flames' 33rd most recently drafted pick.
They were 3rd in the NHL by points percentage and goal differential.

They have only had one top 10 pick since 2015.
They have 30 million in cap space. They have only 2 players over 30.

Good asset and cap management can really get you far. Especially when combined with drafting and developing.
Even though they've made bad trades and let people walk for nothing, the sheer discipline of their asset management has turned them into a contender.


If you're not going to tank and rebuild, that's the next option. How many overpaid Colemans do they have? None.

Carolina's scouting team seems to be constantly solid year after year so its no surprise. It also helps when they have a GM who values picks rather than wasting them on UFAs.

Not throwing shade here just pointing out the obvious. I really like the Carolina model when it comes to their scouting and who they select, they seem to have really good success outside the first round as well.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The Carolina Hurricanes have made 33 draft picks in the past 3 years. Yes, 33. Averaging 11 per year. For comparison's sake, Falkovsky (2016, turns 25 this year) was the Flames' 33rd most recently drafted pick.
They were 3rd in the NHL by points percentage and goal differential.

They have only had one top 10 pick since 2015.
They have 30 million in cap space. They have only 2 players over 30.

Good asset and cap management can really get you far. Especially when combined with drafting and developing.
Even though they've made bad trades and let people walk for nothing, the sheer discipline of their asset management has turned them into a contender.


If you're not going to tank and rebuild, that's the next option. How many overpaid Colemans do they have? None.

There is a lot to like about Carolina's team, but what exactly are you arguing for? Not a rebuild and shrewd asset management? That is exactly what most of the non burn it to the ground crowd is saying. I get it if you don't think BT can handle it, but that is the strategy.

As for overpaid Colemans, no one has signed him yet. But, he will almost certainly be overpaid as a UFA, we just don't know by how much. Carolina has a few ugly contracts as well. Gardiner is not a good contract. Nino isn't good value either. That, and they have basically half a team to sign. If that half a team is comprised of any UFAs (Dougie?), you can bet there will be a few tough contracts on term or AAV that they'll need to sign. No team is immune from those deals.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The Carolina Hurricanes have made 33 draft picks in the past 3 years. Yes, 33. Averaging 11 per year. For comparison's sake, Falkovsky (2016, turns 25 this year) was the Flames' 33rd most recently drafted pick.
They were 3rd in the NHL by points percentage and goal differential.

They have only had one top 10 pick since 2015.
They have 30 million in cap space. They have only 2 players over 30.

Good asset and cap management can really get you far. Especially when combined with drafting and developing.
Even though they've made bad trades and let people walk for nothing, the sheer discipline of their asset management has turned them into a contender.


If you're not going to tank and rebuild, that's the next option. How many overpaid Colemans do they have? None.

Carolina missed the playoffs for 9 years in a row and drafted top 7 in 5 of those years. You have taken a 3 year sample size to make a point which I do agree with that this team needs to avoid an overpay for a player like Coleman.

One of the biggest reasons Carolina is where they are is because they hit on later draft picks lead by Aho. They got lotto luck in 2018 as well which helps brighten their future but they need to pay Svechnikov and Hamilton which should eat up more than half of their available cap space but it does look like 3 years after trading 2 5th overalls they may only have a couple guys drafted in the 2nd as assets back

[flambers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Leafs hype...Colman is at least as good and an actual winner

Sorry but they are different players, Coleman is more of a 3rd liner type of a player. While Hyman is a top 6 winger

Hyman with the Oilers will be way more offensive than Coleman

Flames require both of these type of players.

Coleman will definitely fill a need for the Flames

However the Flames need to be really careful on the contract

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

If signing Blake Coleman to a contract like that is the best Treliving can do to find a first line RW, you might as well can him now and start the fire sale. That’s just sad.

So what first line RW do you recommend he pursue?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by flambers

Coleman will definitely fill a need for the Flames

However the Flames need to be really careful on the contract

Coleman is a UFA. He’s going to get term. If the Flames don’t give him five years, another team will.

[Toonage]

I get the sticker shock but it feels like people are undervaluing Blake Coleman. Flames would be very fortunate to have him on the team. They need more GAS from their players and this guy has it.

[Ped]

The question shouldn't be is Coleman better than Hyman, because that's just the same old "we're better than the Oilers at least" arguments that get this franchise absolutely nowhere.


It comes down to you feel he is worth the money and term, and if so, would giving him that money and term screw up your cap in the coming years?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Coleman is a UFA. He’s going to get term. If the Flames don’t give him five years, another team will.

Agreed,

However he is turning 30 in November.

If he pushes for a 5 year deal, Flames should walk away