07-25-2021, 01:46 PM
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#301
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Lots of people throwing Valimaki into trades as an addin. Keep in mind that if we do, Kylington becomes our 4th best defenseman.
We are staring at the worst D in the league with no cap to do anything about it (after acquiring Eichel)
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So as of right now the Flames have $18.625M in projected cap space.
If the trade is my proposed one above (Monahan + Valimaki for roster players), then it's just a swap of Monahan's $6.375M for Eichel's $10M.
So we'd have $15M in cap space with:
Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
_____ - Lindholm - Mangi
_____ - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Froese - Ritchie
Hanifin - Tanev
Andersson - _____
_____ - _____
Markstrom
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$15M to sign RFAs: Dube, Gawdin, Kylington, Mackey, then fill out the roster with UFAs and/or prospects like Zary/Pelletier/Ruzicka
Stone is another cheap RD option after a surprisingly good showing last season. Dube is probably $1.5-$2M?
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07-25-2021, 01:48 PM
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#302
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by ComixZone
Anyone else starting to think there are a few things linked to each other coming up?
If we can acquire Eichel, we extend Gaudreau and get back to it.
If we can’t acquire Eichel, we don’t extend Gaudreau and truly begin that “new era” (rebuild)?
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I'm hoping for this outcome as well, the only thing is how do you move in the direction of a rebuild right after hiring Sutter? Worst case would be for the Flames to decide on a rebuild, ship big names out, and the Sutter is able to pus what's left to a middle of the field finish for the next two years.
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07-25-2021, 01:57 PM
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#303
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I still think Tkachuk is in there or there's no deal. Given the fact that the Sabres of removed other members of their core - many of whom weren't THAT old - I don't think they are interested in someone like Monahan as a big piece.
Tkachuk+Zary+2022 1st.
Maybe something else in there like another 2nd.
Shift Monahan to the wing.
Gaudreau-Eichel-Eat Bread
Coleman-Lindholm-Monahan
Lucic-Backlund-Pitlick
???-Gadwin-Dube
I might have the wings wrong.
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Sorry. I rather have MT, CZ, and a 2022 first over Eichel.
I would not give up more than Tkachuk and a pick. Eichel is good but he is not worthy of a Lindros type package.
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07-25-2021, 02:05 PM
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#304
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Sorry. I rather have MT, CZ, and a 2022 first over Eichel.
I would not give up more than Tkachuk and a pick. Eichel is good but he is not worthy of a Lindros type package.
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That is not a Lindros type package
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07-25-2021, 02:06 PM
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#305
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#1 Goaltender
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I believe Eichel is the hold up before we start seeing moves happen.
Tkachuk, 2022 first, Eat Bread for Eichel
Monahan for Dvorak
Coleman signs
Barrie Signs (I think Treliving sneaks in and grabs him)
Top 6
Gaudreau - Eichel - Dvorak
Dube - Lindholm - Coleman
Top 4 D
Anderson - Barrie
Tanev - Hanifin
Team looks okay if those deals happened is it a cup contender nope.
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07-25-2021, 02:08 PM
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#306
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Lifetime Suspension
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Enough with Mony for Dvorak.
Monahan is worth two Dvoraks. We would feel very stupid next season for making that exchange, I guarantee that.
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07-25-2021, 02:10 PM
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#307
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Sorry. I rather have MT, CZ, and a 2022 first over Eichel.
I would not give up more than Tkachuk and a pick. Eichel is good but he is not worthy of a Lindros type package.
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Especially considering that Eichel is already a $10 million dollar player. If we were acquiring pre-peak earning years, that would be different. Might as well try the free agency route first if we are going to pay that much.
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07-25-2021, 02:10 PM
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#308
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Just got back from taking the dog for a walk and came up with this 4 team trade that I think makes everyone happy but need a couple of details ironed out.
Calgary trades: Tkachuk, Dube, 22 1st
Calgary receives: Eichel (maybe more?)
St Louis trades: Tarasenko, Kyrou, 22 1st
St. Louis receives: Tkachuk
Buffalo trades: Eichel, (retain 50% on Tarasenko) (maybe more)
Buffalo receives: Dube, Kyrou, CGY 22 1st, STL 22 1st, (random team) 22 1st
Random team trades: 22 1st
Random team receives: Tarasenko 50% retained.
I thought about adding Oloffson to the Flames but held off. Also not sure Tarasenko at 50% gets a 1st so that could be conditional 2nd that turns into a 1st based on Tarasenko’s performance?
Buffalo gets 2 young guys they plug in right away and 3 1st for next year.
St. Louis gets their guy and dumps Tarasenko with no retention opens up a chance to take a run at Landeskog.
4th team gets Tarasenko for 2 years at 3.75
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07-25-2021, 02:13 PM
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#309
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Lifetime Suspension
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What about extending Tkachuk then retaining a pencent similar to OEL to help facilitate the Eichel trade (if his 9M QO is seen as risky).
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07-25-2021, 02:14 PM
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#310
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
What about extending Tkachuk then retaining a pencent similar to OEL to help facilitate the Eichel trade.
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"Hey Matt, will you sign this extension so we can trade you to Buffalo?"
Haha
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07-25-2021, 02:17 PM
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#311
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Franchise Player
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Absolute most I would do is:
Tkachuk
One of Zary/Pelletier/Valimaki
2022 1st
A second round pick or a B prospect like Petterson or Phillips
To me, the first three pieces are already more than enough. I think that is probably the closest Buffalo will get to their asking price.
Not opposed to trading Mangiapane in place of 1 or 2 of the above pieces but I think he’s an important guy for where the Flames team culture wants to go.
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07-25-2021, 02:18 PM
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#312
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Franchise Player
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If either or both of the 2022 or 2023 1sts are traded they MUST be lottery protected.
If Eichel's neck doesn't recover and the team tanks.....
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07-25-2021, 02:18 PM
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#313
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
"Hey Matt, will you sign this extension so we can trade you to Buffalo?"
Haha
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You have to keep the buffalo part on the down low. 
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07-25-2021, 02:19 PM
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#314
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Enough with Mony for Dvorak.
Monahan is worth two Dvoraks. We would feel very stupid next season for making that exchange, I guarantee that.
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This….. x 100…..
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07-25-2021, 02:25 PM
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#315
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by AC
So as of right now the Flames have $18.625M in projected cap space.
If the trade is my proposed one above (Monahan + Valimaki for roster players), then it's just a swap of Monahan's $6.375M for Eichel's $10M.
So we'd have $15M in cap space with:
Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
_____ - Lindholm - Mangi
_____ - Backlund - Pitlick
Lucic - Froese - Ritchie
Hanifin - Tanev
Andersson - _____
_____ - _____
Markstrom
_____
$15M to sign RFAs: Dube, Gawdin, Kylington, Mackey, then fill out the roster with UFAs and/or prospects like Zary/Pelletier/Ruzicka
Stone is another cheap RD option after a surprisingly good showing last season. Dube is probably $1.5-$2M?
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Filling in your gaps with
Dube $2 mill
Coleman $4 mill
Pelletier $900k
Mackie $900k
Stone $1.5 mill
Kylington $1.2 mill
Vet backup goalie $2 mill
Vet D $2.5 mill
Defense might be a little suspect. But I think offense would be better.
A few guys would also be playing out of place.
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07-25-2021, 02:25 PM
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#316
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
Enough with Mony for Dvorak.
Monahan is worth two Dvoraks. We would feel very stupid next season for making that exchange, I guarantee that.
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Completely depends on Monny returning to full health, which none of us really have a handle on.
Which makes a Monny trade before the season unlikely.
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07-25-2021, 02:27 PM
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#317
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Just got back from taking the dog for a walk and came up with this 4 team trade that I think makes everyone happy but need a couple of details ironed out.
Calgary trades: Tkachuk, Dube, 22 1st
Calgary receives: Eichel (maybe more?)
St Louis trades: Tarasenko, Kyrou, 22 1st
St. Louis receives: Tkachuk
Buffalo trades: Eichel, (retain 50% on Tarasenko) (maybe more)
Buffalo receives: Dube, Kyrou, CGY 22 1st, STL 22 1st, (random team) 22 1st
Random team trades: 22 1st
Random team receives: Tarasenko 50% retained.
I thought about adding Oloffson to the Flames but held off. Also not sure Tarasenko at 50% gets a 1st so that could be conditional 2nd that turns into a 1st based on Tarasenko’s performance?
Buffalo gets 2 young guys they plug in right away and 3 1st for next year.
St. Louis gets their guy and dumps Tarasenko with no retention opens up a chance to take a run at Landeskog.
4th team gets Tarasenko for 2 years at 3.75
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That’s actually pretty good.
I could see everyone being satisfied.
Although huge difficulty in completely a 4 player deal of course.
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07-25-2021, 02:30 PM
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#318
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
Completely depends on Monny returning to full health, which none of us really have a handle on.
Which makes a Monny trade before the season unlikely.
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Dvorak’s ceiling is average Sean Monahan, not the really good Sean Monahan we have seen in the past. Just makes no sense. Dvorak right now would be our 4th best center (including Lindholm). I don’t understand the love…
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07-25-2021, 02:47 PM
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#319
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Sofa GM
Dvorak’s ceiling is average Sean Monahan, not the really good Sean Monahan we have seen in the past. Just makes no sense. Dvorak right now would be our 4th best center (including Lindholm). I don’t understand the love…
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Dvorak is way cheaper though and allows you to do something else.
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07-25-2021, 02:52 PM
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#320
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AC
Gaudreau - Eichel - Tkachuk
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Drool worthy top line, at least top 5 in the league.
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