Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jore

I hope this is the plan. Face facts and commit to a direction.

Also for the Carolina speculation, Necas plays wing and there's 0% chance that Carolina trades his ELC for Tkachuk's $8 million qualifying offer.

Yeah me too.

I wonder if the Eichel move makes any sense though. The team needs to be reconstructed but if you move prospects picks and players to get Eichel, what's left?

A pretty poor team not bad enough to draft a guy as good as Eichel.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah me too.

I wonder if the Eichel move makes any sense though. The team needs to be reconstructed but if you move prospects picks and players to get Eichel, what's left?

A pretty poor team not bad enough to draft a guy as good as Eichel.

If it’s nothing but futures for the most part, our forward group becomes pretty amazing.

…and a LOT gets tossed onto the shoulders of Valimaki, Andersson and Hanifin. Which maybe isn’t the worst idea?

Failing Eichel though? It’s time to restructure significantly. Good draft years in ‘22 and ‘23…

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Jore

I hope this is the plan. Face facts and commit to a direction.

Also for the Carolina speculation, Necas plays wing and there's 0% chance that Carolina trades his ELC for Tkachuk's $8 million qualifying offer.

Martin Necas is a center, the suggestion presumably was based on the fact they have Seth Jarvis and Ryan Suzuki waiting in the background that could challenge for that number 2 center position.

[868904]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think acquiring Eichel will have any effect on the decision to re-sign Gaudreau

I think acquiring Eichel increases the chances that Gaudreau re-signs. Johnny is probably tired of being the only offensive driver. Unfortunately, I don’t think this Eichel domino will fall till after Johnny’s NTC kicks in.

I think the team wants to re-sign Gaudreau. They must see what we see, this team has zero offense without Johnny.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah me too.

I wonder if the Eichel move makes any sense though. The team needs to be reconstructed but if you move prospects picks and players to get Eichel, what's left?

A pretty poor team not bad enough to draft a guy as good as Eichel.

I think more than ever it makes sense to trade for Eichel. We drafted 2 more wingers with our top 2 picks. I think if we do trade for Eichel it’s probably related to contract talks with Tkachuk and Gaudreau. If one of those 2 move for picks and prospects we could then flip those picks and prospects plus a bit more to get Eichel. If Tkachuk and Johnny resign I think the Flames will back off on Eichel

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah me too.

I wonder if the Eichel move makes any sense though. The team needs to be reconstructed but if you move prospects picks and players to get Eichel, what's left?

A pretty poor team not bad enough to draft a guy as good as Eichel.

If the Sabres want futures then it won't be with Calgary unless it is a three way deal.
If the Flames somehow land Eichel then it comes down to his injury and how Markstrom does. If Markstrom can play like he did before he got hurt than he he can buffer a younger D core.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah me too.

I wonder if the Eichel move makes any sense though. The team needs to be reconstructed but if you move prospects picks and players to get Eichel, what's left?

A pretty poor team not bad enough to draft a guy as good as Eichel.

Yep. If you ask me, trading for Eichel is the wrong call. The chamber would be emptied and there’s still a heck of a lot to do with the rest of the roster.

If I’m Buffalo I’m salivating that the flames might be thinking future picks in the deal, as it has the makings of EK 2.0. Flames would be precisely the team I’m targeting if I’m Kevyn Adams with pressure to win now and, objectively, not a great roster to carry out that agenda.

[AC]

I can see why it's a chain reaction type of thing. If we get Eichel, then re-signing Gaudreau and/or Tkachuk (if he's not the main piece going back) is crucial.

If we can't get Eichel we could very easily be trading one or both in a rebuild here.

If we can get Eichel without gutting our team, we're looking good. I think a package of Monahan, a 1st, Valimaki, and a prospect (Pelletier or Zary maybe) could get it done and wouldn't decimate the team.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by AC

I can see why it's a chain reaction type of thing. If we get Eichel, then re-signing Gaudreau and/or Tkachuk (if he's not the main piece going back) is crucial.

If we can't get Eichel we could very easily be trading one or both in a rebuild here.

If we can get Eichel without gutting our team, we're looking good. I think a package of Monahan, a 1st, Valimaki, and a prospect (Pelletier or Zary maybe) could get it done and wouldn't decimate the team.

I think the Eichel return for Buffalo will be underwhelming….. I don’t think you need Valimaki in that package. But would likely have to be Zary since he has the most upside of the two.

[868904]

I don't think an Eichel acquisition would cripple the franchise or leave it without enough depth.

I'm thinking the Flames offer is something like this:

Mangiapane
Valimaki
One of Pelletier or Zary
One of Coronato or 2022 first round pick

I'm guessing the Sabres are looking for a more blue chip type prospect from some of the other teams in hunt, but the Kings are either not offering up Byfield or they are offering Byfield but not much else. Same for the Rangers who's offer is probably centered around Lafreniere.

I'm guessing what the Flames are offering is more quantity as opposed to quality, but the offer is in line with the supposed ask. I think it's a very competitive offer.

As for how that affects the Flames roster if accepted, well, you still have plenty to compete with in the now and acquiring Eichel increases your chances of re-signing Gaudreau and Tkachuk. You probably end up losing Monahan but you hope that some of the prospects remaining such as Dube, Zary/Pelletier, Coronato/2022 first, Ruzicka, Phillips, can become top 6 supplementary pieces.

Flames could absorb the Eichel contract now without dumping Monahan. They would just have to run with a lot of young players which is what a lot of fans want anyways.

Or they could dump Monahan and acquire a top 4 defenseman long term.

The big question is Eichel worth the risk? It's a huge gamble but I think the Flames have already made the decision to go for it. It comes down to whether the Sabres will play with them. This isn't one of those Treliving driving up the price on his rivals play.

[dissentowner]

I think Monahan, Mangiapane, Zary, and our 2022 1st gets it done for Eichel. Once you factor in Mangiapane's next contract salary is a wash.

[Kipper_3434]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don't think an Eichel acquisition would cripple the franchise or leave it without enough depth.

I'm thinking the Flames offer is something like this:

Mangiapane
Valimaki
One of Pelletier or Zary
One of Coronato or 2022 first round pick

I'm guessing the Sabres are looking for a more blue chip type prospect from some of the other teams in hunt, but the Kings are either not offering up Byfield or they are offering Byfield but not much else. Same for the Rangers who's offer is probably centered around Lafreniere.

I'm guessing what the Flames are offering is more quantity as opposed to quality, but the offer is in line with the supposed ask. I think it's a very competitive offer.

As for how that affects the Flames roster if accepted, well, you still have plenty to compete with in the now and acquiring Eichel increases your chances of re-signing Gaudreau and Tkachuk. You probably end up losing Monahan but you hope that some of the prospects remaining such as Dube, Zary/Pelletier, Coronato/2022 first, Ruzicka, Phillips, can become top 6 supplementary pieces.

Flames could absorb the Eichel contract now without dumping Monahan. They would just have to run with a lot of young players which is what a lot of fans want anyways.

Or they could dump Monahan and acquire a top 4 defenseman long term.

The big question is Eichel worth the risk? It's a huge gamble but I think the Flames have already made the decision to go for it. It comes down to whether the Sabres will play with them. This isn't one of those Treliving driving up the price on his rivals play.

Eichel makes big bucks. Do we never sign any top 4 defenceman in your scenario? I think if we trade for eichel it greatly increases the odds that one of gaudrau or most likely Tkachuk are traded to recoup futures . We may keep forbthis year but I see him or Johnny gone if we get eichel

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think Monahan, Mangiapane, Zary, and our 2022 1st gets it done for Eichel. Once you factor in Mangiapane's next contract salary is a wash.

I do that deal, or AC’s deal.

Really, with Eichel, if you can keep Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Lindholm and one of Mangi or Dube it’d be hard to name a deal I wouldn’t do at this rate. Our defence is decent, we have a good starter locked up, we’re obviously going for it, so let’s go for it.

With the deal above I think we’re better than Toronto and Edmonton (not saying they’re great, just pointing out playoff teams with huge contracts up front).

[Enoch Root]

Lots of people throwing Valimaki into trades as an addin. Keep in mind that if we do, Kylington becomes our 4th best defenseman.

We are staring at the worst D in the league with no cap to do anything about it (after acquiring Eichel)

[mile]

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagn...d-to-busy-week

No, we didn’t see Jack Eichel move. Not yet. Those talks will continue, but Buffalo is holding firm on their asking price. The Sabres want at least four pieces for Eichel. That hasn’t changed. And a 2022 first-round pick is something they covet in a package that includes at least one top prospect and two young, NHL-proven players.

I think Calgary, Los Angeles, Anaheim and Vegas have continued to go back and forth. I’m not convinced the New York Rangers are paying the price, and I don’t think Minnesota wants to, either. Florida and Boston poked around, along with other teams.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I still think Tkachuk is in there or there's no deal. Given the fact that the Sabres of removed other members of their core - many of whom weren't THAT old - I don't think they are interested in someone like Monahan as a big piece.

Tkachuk+Zary+2022 1st.
Maybe something else in there like another 2nd.

Shift Monahan to the wing.
Gaudreau-Eichel-Eat Bread
Coleman-Lindholm-Monahan
Lucic-Backlund-Pitlick
???-Gadwin-Dube

I might have the wings wrong.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Kipper_3434

Eichel makes big bucks. Do we never sign any top 4 defenceman in your scenario? I think if we trade for eichel it greatly increases the odds that one of gaudrau or most likely Tkachuk are traded to recoup futures . We may keep forbthis year but I see him or Johnny gone if we get eichel

In my second scenario where you dump Monahan, yes you would go after a top 4 defenseman.

That's $13 million in cap space from Gio and Mony. Eichel is $10 million cap hit. That's $3 million extra. Don't forget, Mangiapane's $2.425,000 goes the other way and he will be reupping at a significantly higher number the following year anyways, but that gives you an extra $5.425 million for this season. There's also some extra net from Ryan to Pitlick.

Fill out the rest of the bottom six and third pair with guys at minimum and you have about $5 to $6 million for a top 4 defenseman.

The year after that, you need to give raises to Tkachuk and Gaudreau and that comes from the expiring Pitlick deal and the end of the Brouwer cap penalty or you look seriously at buying out Lucic from his final year.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by mile

https://www.thefourthperiod.com/pagn...d-to-busy-week

Buffalo is going to have to lower the price . I would also add that there is no chance Eichel wants to be with them next season. They just traded to big pieces for picks. Eichel certainly won’t want to play for a rebuilding team. Buffalo has to get him out of there before start of season. Last thing they need is a distraction of a captain not wanting to be part of the rebuild.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I still think Tkachuk is in there or there's no deal. Given the fact that the Sabres of removed other members of their core - many of whom weren't THAT old - I don't think they are interested in someone like Monahan as a big piece.

Tkachuk+Zary+2022 1st.
Maybe something else in there like another 2nd.

Shift Monahan to the wing.
Gaudreau-Eichel-Eat Bread
???-Lindholm-Monahan
Coleman-Backlund-Pitlick

I might have the wings wrong.

I don't think the Sabres want Tkachuk and the contract risk. If Tkachuk moves, it will be to the Blues for young pieces which then get flipped to Buffalo.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Lots of people throwing Valimaki into trades as an addin. Keep in mind that if we do, Kylington becomes our 4th best defenseman.

We are staring at the worst D in the league with no cap to do anything about it (after acquiring Eichel)

I see it as:
Free Agent - Tanev
Hanifin - Andersson

With the third pairing being two of Valimaki, Kylington, Mackey, and Stone.

I think Valimaki will be a good player, but if the Sabres want him as a piece I do that easily.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but I am higher on Mackey than most are and think he could handle third pairing minutes. If he struggles than we still have Kylington as another option

I’m not sure if Treliving is willing to include Valimaki in the package though, he loves him