2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If the Flames are missing a #1 and #2 dman plus a #1 center plus a top 6 RW that just tells me they need to look in the mirror and start the rebuild process.

Yeah, it seems baffling that they're just keeping their head down and ignoring it at this stage.

Especially with Gaudreau and Tkachuk both heading towards contractual milestones.

Hopefully something happens soon, because right now the team is just lost without a compass to even orient which way they should be going. I struggle to see improvement. Eichel could be that big punch, but then our defence is still quite suspect...so I'm not sure what the point of spending to the salary cap is when you can't fill your #1 centre spot or your #1 defenceman spot.

[TheScorpion]

Teams should always be aiming to be the best in the league or the worst in the league.

The Flames currently seem to be deadset upon picking 16th every year. That's a terrible place for a franchise to be.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Teams should always be aiming to be the best in the league or the worst in the league.

The Flames currently seem to be deadset upon picking 16th every year. That's a terrible place for a franchise to be.

Yep.



It's just particularly painful because our drafting, based on where we draft, is quite good. We can pull talent from the later rounds. I'm confident in this management team/scouting staff's ability to maintain a contending team - but they can't build something worth maintaining in the first place. That's just tough to watch.

[Bonded]

Yeah, maybe they try to get Laine, Voracek, or Tarensenko. Don't exactly love what the Flyers did but they made changes.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Shane Write? Good luck with that. Look at Arizona and Buffalo. Just having Markstrom makes us finish 7 spots above anyone.

Yeah that is the problem. There is only one Wright and one Beddard. That is a pretty big gamble for 20 odd percent if you are the worst team.

There are components on this team young enough that you need to try a retool first and if it doesn't work in a couple years when the Hanifin, Andersson, Lindholm contracts are coming up, then you look at a rebuild.

One of the issues I saw with Calgary is they had a lot of problems slotting players in the right spot and nothing worked. A part of me is hopeful that there is some youth and skill that can come in and help with the slotting. If things start to pan out then you are trading for a position of strength rather than weakness. Gms in the NHL are the last to help each other out, so timing is a big part of making the right move.

[ResAlien]

C’mon guys. Slow and steady wins the race. Looking at the moves they made last year this team was a goalie, a #2 defenceman, and a few bottom line players away from being a cup contender and those moves were made. Now we’re a top line centre, top line RW, top defender, and second line RW away from really being a solid contender. I’m sure there are moves in the hopper waiting to address the easily filled holes in the roster this GM has been building for 7 years. Easy peasy.

[FanIn80]

So what we're saying, then, is to just be the best. Whether it's at being the best or at being the worst, just be the best.

[VladtheImpaler]

May I suggest, that instead of the PLAN or the PROCESS, we need an actual plan...

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Teams should always be aiming to be the best in the league or the worst in the league.

The Flames currently seem to be deadset upon picking 16th every year. That's a terrible place for a franchise to be.

so when you're 16th then you should tank? if the flames think they are closer to the top than the bottom then they are trying to be the best with these moves.

you can think otherwise but that's like just your opinion man...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

so when you're 16th then you should tank?

if you're 16th without a legitimate 1D or 1C... yes.

If you're 16th with those pieces, of course you strive to get better pieces around them.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Teams should always be aiming to be the best in the league or the worst in the league.

The Flames currently seem to be deadset upon picking 16th every year. That's a terrible place for a franchise to be.

There are 32 teams, and it is a business. Everyone can’t be first or last.

Look at Buffalo, who tanked for Mcdavid and lost that lottery. Where are they?

Where is the team who won that lottery?

Anyone who says tank look at those teams. #### look at Edmonton for the last 18 years.

It’s a process

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by MrMike

There are 32 teams, and it is a business. Everyone can’t be first or last.

Look at Buffalo, who tanked for Mcdavid and lost that lottery. Where are they?

Where is the team who won that lottery?

Anyone who says tank look at those teams. #### look at Edmonton for the last 18 years.

It’s a process

Look at the Flames for the last 30 years.

Look at the Flames in the modern era.

We are worse (but E=NG remains true).

[Roof-Daddy]

The chance for this franchise to be a true contender that competes for 1st overall every year has probably passed. They ended up missing too many key pieces by the end of the rebuild.

Their #1 D was in his late 30's
Their #1 C isn't elite and he's oft injured
Their #1 RW can't play there or the C depth is too weak
Finally signed a #1 G but he had a rough first year


They will keep trying though, hoping to catch lightning in a bottle at the right time one of these seasons.

One thing that gives me hope is that their drafting seems better. I mean, we should have the Norris winner on our roster this last season still in his early 20's. If they can unearth a couple diamond's in the rough like that it can be an instant game changer.

[mrdonkey]

You know things are rough when the rosiest outlook for next season is “They’ll be bad, but not that bad. If you don’t like it, cheer for some other team.”

[VladtheImpaler]

Let's cut the BS out - if you want to take what we have in terms of talent and cap space, as well as prospects (both in terms of something being ready to step in or being something that is valuable in a trade), we are short of talent and short of assets. Yeah, thanks to Sutter and the weakness of the Pacific, we can/should make the playoffs, but we have no chance to win. This franchise needs a miracle - like some unforseen leaps forward from youngsters and a bunch of guys having career years. Yet, the mandate is to compete/win now. So... how? I think the most realistic option is to hold our noses, and go shopping in the "deplorables" aisle - go get De Angelo because he is free and cheap, and fills a huge need for you. You may not want to and it may blow up, but I think that's the sort of thing you have to do when you can't realistically get better otherwise... They should have traded for Buchnevich because he was relatively cheap, and could be flipped at the deadline if things didn't go well. They should have traded for Bean because, again, that's a cheap shot at some upside. Stuff like that - low cost options with quite large upside (but some major/potential negatives). That's why I liked Leivo signing last season (I thought he had some potential to explode), but hated the other ones (no upside, just filler). Have to take some bold, if distasteful, shots...

[camm13]

Someone listed a trade proposal a while ago, I didn't think much of it at the time but now I can see how it can be a fit for the team.

Monahan for Connor Brown (RW) + Nick Paul (C, LW). At this point with Monahan, do we need to add, not sure? Ottawa has 2 rookies down the middle in their top 6, they could use an experienced centre. Brown solves our issue of a top RHS RW, and Nick Paul adds some size and PK experience. Brown under contract for two more years at $3.6M, Paul one year $1.3M. We also gain $1.3M capspace with the swap. I'd love to add Landeskog, I know the chances for that are very slim, but if it were possible the line up instantly looks so much better. And we don't have the risk of Treliving throwing more money and term at 3/4 line guys. Landy is listed as an LW, but I'm told he can also play centre.

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Landeskog - Brown
Paul - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Pitlick - Ritchie (interchangeable, insert kids).

Leaves plenty of money for an LD. Just spitballing here obviously, but that looks like a solid lineup.

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Teams should always be aiming to be the best in the league or the worst in the league.

The Flames currently seem to be deadset upon picking 16th every year. That's a terrible place for a franchise to be.

This, a million times this! The franchise just can’t seem to embrace being really bad if they’re not really good.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I guess this thread has turned into the thread of the airing of the grievances?

[Strange Brew]

I really thought this team was going to make a significant move at the draft. Things could change but seems like we’re sticking with the core for another go at it.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I guess this thread has turned into the thread of the airing of the grievances?

I was just thinking about how depressing this place is