2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

We are clearly rolling with the same core without replacing a key piece we lost on the backend (Gio). Bringing in a Pitlick or even a Dvorak don’t change the trajectory here. Guessing we will be right back here next year picking 9-15. Embarrassing.

There is nothing clear in the middle of July.


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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There is nothing clear in the middle of July.


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It’ll be pretty clear as of July 29th. Every year Tree says “the job to improve the team doesn’t stop here today”…but really, it does. After day 2 of free agency what’s Treliving’s biggest change to a roster? It’s the Neal for Lucic deal.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

There is nothing clear in the middle of July.


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Exactly, and the Flames are going into free agency with a lot more cap space than usual I believe. IMO they will be more active on FA than the trade market, unless someone blows them away in an offer for Monaghan or something like that

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by HitterD

Exactly, and the Flames are going into free agency with a lot more cap space than usual I believe. IMO they will be more active on FA than the trade market, unless someone blows them away in an offer for Monaghan or something like that

Championship quality teams are not built on big free agent signings. It’s a poor utilization of salary cap to spend it on free agents.

I’d sooner they just not use the cap.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I know everyone wants a shake up but 2 HUGE things in defence of Treliving:

1) standing pat is better than getting worse. You don’t just run around making trades for the sake of making trades if your team is going to be significantly worse after the fact. You’re better off doing nothing and;

I see where you're coming from but this has already gotten the team in trouble.
They did this with the core for 2 years and are now backed into a corner for the lack of trades in the past.

You don't want to make bad trades but we are now left for our top 2 D gone for nothing and Mony/Johnny/Chucky all diminished in value vs where they were 1-2 years ago.

There may be no option left but trades for the sake of it and that's because this philosophy was implemented too long.

[gilligans_off]

These guys are still in their prime. Even a few bad years (durning a pandemic none the less) doesn’t mean they’re on the decline yet. We lost our captain. Might be enough of a shakeup to have a rebound for personal stats.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Championship quality teams are not built on big free agent signings. It’s a poor utilization of salary cap to spend it on free agents.

I’d sooner they just not use the cap.

Plus if they blow the cap on multi year contracts Gio expiring contract was partly needed to resign Tkachuk mangiapane and Gaudreau

If we spend it now we need to move out someone.

Are we prepared to sign Coleman and trade Tkachuk because of it? I’m ok with it if we get some picks and prospects but it doesn’t make us better for more than 1 year and then it creates a bigger mess next summer

[flambers]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

These guys are still in their prime. Even a few bad years (durning a pandemic none the less) doesn’t mean they’re on the decline yet. We lost our captain. Might be enough of a shakeup to have a rebound for personal stats.

I doubt it, lineup is just not good enough.

Core forwards badly need a shakeup, at least 1 has to go...

Might take time, as its not a easy trade

Flames I am sure are aware they now are missing 1 top 4 dman, at least 1 top 6 winger and backup goalie.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by flambers

I doubt it, lineup is just not good enough.

Core forwards badly need a shakeup, at least 1 has to go...

Might take time, as its not a easy trade

Flames I am sure are aware they now are missing 1 top 4 dman, at least 1 top 6 winger and backup goalie.

I would think they are aware, but many of the names being thrown around that are targets don’t fit the bill. We need a more offensive minded top 4 dman to replace Gio being the QB on the pp. Alec Martinez is not that guy, very solid dman but not that guy. As painful as it is to say, I would probably target Tyson Barrie and pair him with Tanev and have him and Ras run the pp.

As far as wingers, Calgary needs a skilled scoring winger. Blake Coleman is a very good hockey player, but he is a good 3rd liner or very average second line player. I just don’t think he moves the needle enough on the forward group.

It will certainly be interesting over the next week or so to see how things play out.

[handgroen]

When does Johnny’s 5 team trade list kick in?

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by handgroen

When does Johnny’s 5 team trade list kick in?

Thursday I think

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by handgroen

When does Johnny’s 5 team trade list kick in?

July 28th

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I would think they are aware, but many of the names being thrown around that are targets don’t fit the bill. We need a more offensive minded top 4 dman to replace Gio being the QB on the pp. Alec Martinez is not that guy, very solid dman but not that guy. As painful as it is to say, I would probably target Tyson Barrie and pair him with Tanev and have him and Ras run the pp.

As far as wingers, Calgary needs a skilled scoring winger. Blake Coleman is a very good hockey player, but he is a good 3rd liner or very average second line player. I just don’t think he moves the needle enough on the forward group.

It will certainly be interesting over the next week or so to see how things play out.

Agree with you overall, though I’d be thrilled to sign either Martinez or Barrie for the right price.

Overall though, I think this is the year Hanafin takes a huge step offensively. It was really starting to come before the injury last year, and he will now be counted on for increased minutes

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I know everyone wants a shake up but 2 HUGE things in defence of Treliving:

1) standing pat is better than getting worse. You don’t just run around making trades for the sake of making trades if your team is going to be significantly worse after the fact. You’re better off doing nothing and;

Getting immediately worse while adding long term assrts and increasing your chances at Shane Wright is better than standing pat.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by flambers

I doubt it, lineup is just not good enough.

Core forwards badly need a shakeup, at least 1 has to go...

Might take time, as its not a easy trade

Flames I am sure are aware they now are missing 1 top 4 dman, at least 1 top 6 winger and backup goalie.

The Flames are not missing a top 4 dman - they are missing a #1 dman. They have no defensemen capable of playing on the PP or contributing offense in general, unless they successfully unleash Kylington or Hanifin takes a major step into something new... Really, they are missing a #2 dman as well, as Tanev is too one-dimensional, unless paired with an offensively gifted #1...

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

The Flames are not missing a top 4 dman - they are missing a #1 dman. They have no defensemen capable of playing on the PP or contributing offense in general, unless they successfully unleash Kylington or Hanifin takes a major step into something new... Really, they are missing a #2 dman as well, as Tanev is too one-dimensional, unless paired with an offensively gifted #1...

If the Flames are missing a #1 and #2 dman plus a #1 center plus a top 6 RW that just tells me they need to look in the mirror and start the rebuild process.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

I would think they are aware, but many of the names being thrown around that are targets don’t fit the bill. We need a more offensive minded top 4 dman to replace Gio being the QB on the pp. Alec Martinez is not that guy, very solid dman but not that guy. As painful as it is to say, I would probably target Tyson Barrie and pair him with Tanev and have him and Ras run the pp.

As far as wingers, Calgary needs a skilled scoring winger. Blake Coleman is a very good hockey player, but he is a good 3rd liner or very average second line player. I just don’t think he moves the needle enough on the forward group.

It will certainly be interesting over the next week or so to see how things play out.

If they sign Coleman he is a good player, but not the winger required for the top 2 lines.

[Murph]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

The Flames are not missing a top 4 dman - they are missing a #1 dman. They have no defensemen capable of playing on the PP or contributing offense in general, unless they successfully unleash Kylington or Hanifin takes a major step into something new... Really, they are missing a #2 dman as well, as Tanev is too one-dimensional, unless paired with an offensively gifted #1...

Valimaki has at least as good a chance at contributing offensively as Kylington does.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Getting immediately worse while adding long term assrts and increasing your chances at Shane Wright is better than standing pat.

Shane Write? Good luck with that. Look at Arizona and Buffalo. Just having Markstrom makes us finish 7 spots above anyone.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

If the Flames are missing a #1 and #2 dman plus a #1 center plus a top 6 RW that just tells me they need to look in the mirror and start the rebuild process.

And yet we all know what’s actually going to happen.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that Brad Treliving is the Geoff Ward of general managers.