[Trade] OEL(12% ret), Garland to VAN for Beagle, Eriksson, Roussel, 9th OA, 2022 2nd, 7th - Page 20 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Ped · 07-23-2021, 09:59 PM

This trade actually gets funnier the more you look at it. Benning tries to get OEL last season, loses Toffoli and Tanev and Stecher because of it. Now this year, he gets OEL, replaces Toffoli, and it costs him three draft picks to do it.

If he wasn't so bad at his job, he would be out from Roussel, Eriksson, and Beagle in a year rather than tied to OEL for 6 more, would have Toffoli so no need for Garland, and would have their draft picks.

dino7c · 07-23-2021, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ped

This trade actually gets funnier the more you look at it. Benning tries to get OEL last season, loses Toffoli and Tanev and Stecher because of it. Now this year, he gets OEL, replaces Toffoli, and it costs him three draft picks to do it.

If he wasn't so bad at his job, he would be out from Roussel, Eriksson, and Beagle in a year rather than tied to OEL for 6 more, would have Toffoli so no need for Garland, and would have their draft picks.

This guy gets it

GioforPM · 07-23-2021, 11:04 PM

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How long has it taken Juolevi?

Could the 9th have helped? Sure. Connor Garland will for sure help and is young enough to be a contributor for a while.

. Bo was a 9th pick. Joulevi was a bad pick, and the guy they should have taken made the NHL right away.

In fact, pretty much every 9oa has made the NHL very quickly in the past decade or so until last year.

dino7c · 07-23-2021, 11:06 PM

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Ahhh, moving the goal posts. I thought Schmidt was horrible and his contract was going to be an anchor too. Now there are rumours he's going to move so lets pump his tires so we can crap on the Canucks some more

The analysis of players on here seems to have an awful lot to do with the jersey they wear and not their performance.

This trade seems to be universally panned from the vast majority not just Flames fans

Blaster86 · 07-24-2021, 12:05 AM

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. Bo was a 9th pick. Joulevi was a bad pick, and the guy they should have taken made the NHL right away.

In fact, pretty much every 9oa has made the NHL very quickly in the past decade or so until last year.

Will he make it sooner than Conner Garland?

Redrum · 07-24-2021, 12:14 AM

Even without giving up any of the picks, the Canucks just... I mean it's great news, but damn.

djsFlames · 07-24-2021, 12:28 AM

I try to put myself in the place of a Canucks fan analyzing this.

If you could be both excited and deeply nervous/unsettled at the same time.. that is what it would be.

That's as a realistic fan and not one living in a bouncy castle in the sky like Barca.

Blaster86 · 07-24-2021, 12:37 AM

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If you could be both excited and deeply nervous/unsettled at the same time.. that is what it would be.

As someone so eloquently put it. The feelings of death by snoo snoo.

SebC · 07-24-2021, 01:04 AM

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Some charts I found on Twitter for Garland and OEL... tale of two player trajectories, right here.

Spoiler!

I actually thought OEL was still at least a #4... Looks like he might not even be that. Good lord. It's like Benning wanted to be able to say, "See? I told you Myers wouldn't be our worst defense contract!"

I don't know how these charts are made, but the projected bump for Garland in 2024 seems like the sort of thing that would cause a failed "sanity check".

SuperMatt18 · 07-24-2021, 07:03 AM

Garland is a great add for Vancouver.

But now instead of just 1 year left of Eriksson, Beagle, and Roussel left ($12M) the Canucks have 6 years of OEL at $7M.

And you gave up a 9th overall pick, and a 2nd round pick for that privilege.

And their cap situation isn’t really all that much better in year because even though they have $18M is space right now the Hughes, Pettersson, and Garland contracts will eat up all of that room.

Vancouver is probably a better team today that they were yesterday but longer term I think this still just hurts them more.

GioforPM · 07-24-2021, 07:18 AM

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Will he make it sooner than Conner Garland?

Irrelevant to the point you were trying to make.

eddly · 07-24-2021, 07:52 AM

Hard to tell who won this trade. Certainly are valid arguments for either Arizona or Vancouver winning this trade.

We will know in one year for sure though. What if Arizona is unable to resign Beagle, Roussel and Eriksson in a year? If they lose these three players they are done.

Lanny_McDonald · 07-24-2021, 07:56 AM

What’s going to be really interesting is the picks that Arizona is able to recoup from trading away Beagle, Roussel, and Erickson toward the deadline. They are going to make out like bandits at the draft the next two years.

eddly · 07-24-2021, 08:00 AM

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What’s going to be really interesting is the picks that Arizona is able to recoup from trading away Beagle, Roussel, and Erickson toward the deadline. They are going to make out like bandits at the draft the next two years.

I doubt each of these three players will have value at the trade deadline. No additional picks are going to be gained unless they play extremely well in Arizona. Eriksson would be least likely. Beagle as a cup winner? Sure maybe, but can he rebound from his recent injury? Do you give up a pick for a veteran 4th liner? I’d say Roussel has the highest potential to improve his value next year of the 3.

Lanny_McDonald · 07-24-2021, 08:04 AM

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I doubt each of these three players will have value at the trade deadline. No additional pucks are going to be gained unless they play extremely well in Arizona. Eriksson would be least likely. Beagle as a cup winner? Sure maybe, but can he rebound from his recent injury? Do you give up a pick for a veteran 4th liner? I’d say Roussel has the highest potential to improve his value next year of the 3.

Teams love to add experience and vets for depth during a push to the post season. All three are valuable players and can contribute in various roles. Arizona will get something out of them so long as they don’t get greedy. I expect to see picks in the 3rd through 5th round. Nothing earth shattering, but when you add them up, they can make a difference. So long as Arizona doesn’t get greedy they will get extra bullets for the draft.

eddly · 07-24-2021, 08:08 AM

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Teams love to add experience and vets for depth during a push to the post season. All three are valuable players and can contribute in various roles. Arizona will get something out of them so long as they don’t get greedy. I expect to see picks in the 3rd through 5th round. Nothing earth shattering, but when you add them up, they can make a difference. So long as Arizona doesn’t get greedy they will get extra bullets for the draft.

PM me in a year. If Arizona gets a single draft pick for any of them (not packaged with another player), I will buy you a drink.

Ped · 07-24-2021, 08:32 AM

I highly doubt Arizona could get anything for any of them, but they may not want. All three have higher cap hits than actual salary, I think.

Blaster86 · 07-24-2021, 11:24 AM

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Irrelevant to the point you were trying to make.

No, it is my point. Not every player is going to make it year one or two. And even if they make it in year one or two, are they going to be as good as Connor Garland?

CorsiHockeyLeague · 07-24-2021, 11:30 AM

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No, it is my point. Not every player is going to make it year one or two. And even if they make it in year one or two, are they going to be as good as Connor Garland?

Actually Dylan Guenther probably will. Pronman's #2 rated player in the draft. 6'2'', but a high-end skater with skill and a high compete level and work ethic. Maybe won't be in the league next year, but a reasonable bet to meet or exceed Garland's value in the not too distant future and do so on an ELC contract.

You never know with prospects but this seems like a huge missed opportunity. If it was Kent Johnson I'd have said I like that prospect a lot but he's a big gamble as to whether he can do what he does at the NHL - very much a "swing for the fences pick... so maybe you'd rather have a sure-fire NHLer in Garland than take that risk. But Guenther is a lot more of a sure thing.

All of which is to say that the way the draft played out made the trade a little bit worse for Vancouver, in my opinion... but it was already pretty bad.

GioforPM · 07-24-2021, 11:33 AM

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No, it is my point. Not every player is going to make it year one or two. And even if they make it in year one or two, are they going to be as good as Connor Garland?

As I’ve established, almost every player picked at that position in the last 12 years or so has been as good or better than Connor Garland. Maybe that’s an accident.