[Signing] Oilers sign Hyman (7yrs, $5.5 mil AAV)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Philly06Cup

I liked it better when it was McDrai, Nuge, and literally all AHL forwards around them. The Oilers adding an actual NHL player, and a top line forward, is bad news for Flames fans.

How? Is McDavid gonna score more goals? The Oilers had a offensively dominant first line with or without Hyman. There’s only one puck on one stick at a time. Adding Hyman really doesn’t change the game at all.

From what I read about Hyman, he isn’t a game changer defensively. He’s more or less a less talented Tkachuk - good at being in front of the net and mixing it up. He’s going to do what Lucic did when they got him.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How? Is McDavid gonna score more goals? The Oilers had a offensively dominant first line with or without Hyman. There’s only one puck on one stick at a time. Adding Hyman really doesn’t change the game at all.

From what I read about Hyman, he isn’t a game changer defensively. He’s more or less a less talented Tkachuk - good at being in front of the net and mixing it up. He’s going to do what Lucic did when they got him.

This…. So far they have been spinning their wheels with the deals they have done and not moved the needle, while using a good chunk of their cap space…..Oilers gonna Oil…

[N-E-B]

7 or 8 years for Hyman is absurd and I’m glad the Flames didn’t sign him. Having said that I think this deal works a lot better for the Oilers than it would for the Flames. Hyman is still a good player and could work nicely with McDavid.

Glad it wasn’t Calgary but I don’t think the fit on Edmonton is as bad as some others do. I think it’s probably a good gamble for them.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How? Is McDavid gonna score more goals? The Oilers had a offensively dominant first line with or without Hyman. There’s only one puck on one stick at a time. Adding Hyman really doesn’t change the game at all.

From what I read about Hyman, he isn’t a game changer defensively. He’s more or less a less talented Tkachuk - good at being in front of the net and mixing it up. He’s going to do what Lucic did when they got him.

Exactly, it’s not like McDavid is going to score more points, if anything he’s likely to have some regression.

Hyman would be most useful to him if he can run his own line, but I doubt he can do that.

What does hyman do to make the Oilers better if he’s on the top line? Nothing.

[FlamesFaninEdmonchuck]

They should have been looking at a third line center to spend this money on. They need wingers but only complimentary ones. This money and term is ridiculous for a complimentary player.

[stang]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Honest question, how do you feel about the direction the Oilers have gone this week?

What direction have they gone?

I didn’t like the Keith trade at the beginning. I still wish they would have retained 1.5 mil on it. But I definitely see the benefits to it. He was playing 23+ minutes last year. His 2 partners had a combined games played of less then a full season. Their top 2 centres were gone. Put him in second pairing role with less minutes, and hopefully he’s a good bet to rebound. Plus he’s only signed for 2 years, which will allow Broberg and Samarukov to develop and hopefully take over that spot. If the Oilers went and signed a 2LD in free agency, we’d probably have to give him 4 years plus.

Loved the Nuge signing.

Losing Larsson was a blow, but he’s a UFA, and hearing some of the personal stuff he was dealing with I’m glad he’s getting a fresh start. Hard to fault either side at all.

And am fine with Hyman. I know posters here like to poopoo on it saying that it’s not going to make any difference, and that it doesn’t matter, but a top 6 LW was a hole last year. Hyman allows Mcdavid and Drai to be split up more and each have quality wingers. Or if they do play together you can run a second line of Hyman - Nuge - Yams

Cap hit is fine, term a bit long, but you always overpay for FA.

Smith as backup/1B fine by me. Don’t want to see Koski back though.

Holland sees that the window is 4-5 years. Looks like he’s going for it. He’s been second in the division both years since he came here, and a lot of the deals people were crapping on him for (Barrie, Smith) turned out great.

Is it the way I would have gone? Probably not. But he’s a HOF GM, and I’m just some schmuck in Saskatchewan.

[stang]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Hyman would be most useful to him if he can run his own line, but I doubt he can do that.

What does hyman do to make the Oilers better if he’s on the top line? Nothing.

I believe Hymans fancy stats do say he drives play.

And if he’s on the top line it allows Drai to be on the second line a lot more.

Hyman Mcd Pulju
Nuge Drai Yams

Way better then

Drai Mcd Pulju
Haas Nuge Yams

Or even the second line of
Nuge Mcleod Yams
That we seen a bit too

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stang

What direction have they gone?

I didn’t like the Keith trade at the beginning. I still wish they would have retained 1.5 mil on it. But I definitely see the benefits to it. He was playing 23+ minutes last year. His 2 partners had a combined games played of less then a full season. Their top 2 centres were gone. Put him in second pairing role with less minutes, and hopefully he’s a good bet to rebound. Plus he’s only signed for 2 years, which will allow Broberg and Samarukov to develop and hopefully take over that spot. If the Oilers went and signed a 2LD in free agency, we’d probably have to give him 4 years plus.

Loved the Nuge signing.

Losing Larsson was a blow, but he’s a UFA, and hearing some of the personal stuff he was dealing with I’m glad he’s getting a fresh start. Hard to fault either side at all.

And am fine with Hyman. I know posters here like to poopoo on it saying that it’s not going to make any difference, and that it doesn’t matter, but a top 6 LW was a hole last year. Hyman allows Mcdavid and Drai to be split up more and each have quality wingers. Or if they do play together you can run a second line of Hyman - Nuge - Yams

Cap hit is fine, term a bit long, but you always overpay for FA.

Smith as backup/1B fine by me. Don’t want to see Koski back though.

Holland sees that the window is 4-5 years. Looks like he’s going for it. He’s been second in the division both years since he came here, and a lot of the deals people were crapping on him for (Barrie, Smith) turned out great.

Is it the way I would have gone? Probably not. But he’s a HOF GM, and I’m just some schmuck in Saskatchewan.

This is the Oilers going for it??? McDavid game them a timeline, the clock is buzzing and this is Holland answering the call. Be interesting to see how this team performs on a regular schedule but still looks like a middle to bottom third team…..going for it….bahahaha

[DJones]

Similar to the Nuge signing. Attractive AAV that helps them now that will almost surely end in disaster.

But who cares, if McDavid leaves in 4 years, the team may as well fold. Not many teams have that type of deadline, they may as well lean into it.

[The Yen Man]

Honestly, if I were the Oilers, I wouldn't really be that opposed to over doing the term of a contract to keep the cap hit lower. Like I mentioned, Oiler's window to win is the 4 or 5 years they still have McDavid and Draisaitl signed for. You worry about the tail end of the contract later. Right now, focus should be on bolstering the roster as much as possible the first 4 years for playoff runs.

I still think Holland spent in the wrong place though. Oilers are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league with a lethal powerplay. Why do they need to spend more on scoring when it's defence and 5 on 5 play that's their weakness? They need a stronger defence, not more offence.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Honestly, if I were the Oilers, I wouldn't really be that opposed to over doing the term of a contract to keep the cap hit lower. Like I mentioned, Oiler's window to win is the 4 or 5 years they still have McDavid and Draisaitl signed for. You worry about the tail end of the contract later. Right now, focus should be on bolstering the roster as much as possible the first 4 years for playoff runs.

I still think Holland spent in the wrong place though. Oilers are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league with a lethal powerplay. Why do they need to spend more on scoring when it's defence and 5 on 5 play that's their weakness? They need a stronger defence, not more offence.

I don’t think they have a 4 or 5 yr window. They have nothing really coming off the books next year and have to sign Nurse and PullanRV, and will likely bridge Yamamoto this year for 2 yrs if I would guess, and they will likely find a band-aid in the $2-3MM range after Koskinen moves on to help absorb raises for Nurse and JP. The window is this year……

[stang]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Honestly, if I were the Oilers, I wouldn't really be that opposed to over doing the term of a contract to keep the cap hit lower. Like I mentioned, Oiler's window to win is the 4 or 5 years they still have McDavid and Draisaitl signed for. You worry about the tail end of the contract later. Right now, focus should be on bolstering the roster as much as possible the first 4 years for playoff runs.

I still think Holland spent in the wrong place though. Oilers are already one of the highest scoring teams in the league with a lethal powerplay. Why do they need to spend more on scoring when it's defence and 5 on 5 play that's their weakness? They need a stronger defence, not more offence.

Because as seen in playoffs if you can shut down Mcdavids line there’s no other answer.

Hyman helps 5 on 5 too.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by stang

Because as seen in playoffs if you can shut down Mcdavids line there’s no other answer.

Hyman helps 5 on 5 too.

Was Hyman able to do that for the Leafs???? Doesn’t move the needle……

[Sofa GM]

Also the fact we haven’t heard anything’s says the Leafs are asking a ransom for the rights to sign him for 8 yr. it’s going to be 7 yr/$5.5MM per at least

[stemit14]

Also interesting that they’ve used up their long term cap space this year. They will have little to no flexibility next off-season which has a much better crop of pending free agents to choose from. Obviously some of them will be re-signed before next year but even still, it will be a much better group to choose from than this year.


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[Mull]

$5.125-$5.5 really doesn't seem that bad to me

Term is not great but the salary cap could keep inflating after a COVID dip over the next year, 8 years could lead to good growth making the cap hit a lot smaller relatively.

His PPG is increasing Y/Y with one worry, last year he had an easier division and his PPG only marginally increased Y/Y.

If the pick is mid round or lower, don't hate it for the Oilers at all.

But I don't know who his line mates were, maybe he was carried.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would hate this deal if Hyman was coming to the Flames. 2 knee surgeries already (if I got my information right). I like him as a player, but I think it is crazy to give a player like him 7 or 8 years. I would have been nervous with 4, hoping that the Flames would get 2 useful years out of him, and two poor ones.



I like him as a player, but players like him tend to slow down sooner rather than later, and at 29 years of age and 2 knee surgeries, I would bet on sooner.

[CaptainCrunch]

So this allows them to move Drai to the second line, where he takes a fall. He's at his best on McDavid's line, ask him to carry his own line and he's pretty ordinary.



This isn't going to improve the defensive conciousness of McDavids line. Probably won't increase the scoring on the first line.


Instead the Oilers get worse on the blueline, don't imporve their bottom 6, don't improve their defensive play without the puck, and come back with the same dead goaltending duo, with Smith being a year older.


You could argue that Hyman doesn't address any of the real problems with the Oil, and is basically Holland screaming out, look I'm doing something.


This deal does stink like a McDaivd special. Maybe he and Hyman spend time at the Connor estate bbqing dogs and slamming their heads into the ceiling when they played some one on one basketball.



Even bringing back Barrie doesn't make sense anymore, they aren't lacking in offensive minding defensemen, they don't have much in the way of defensive minded defensemen.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by stang

What direction have they gone?

I didn’t like the Keith trade at the beginning. I still wish they would have retained 1.5 mil on it. But I definitely see the benefits to it. He was playing 23+ minutes last year. His 2 partners had a combined games played of less then a full season. Their top 2 centres were gone. Put him in second pairing role with less minutes, and hopefully he’s a good bet to rebound. Plus he’s only signed for 2 years, which will allow Broberg and Samarukov to develop and hopefully take over that spot. If the Oilers went and signed a 2LD in free agency, we’d probably have to give him 4 years plus.

Loved the Nuge signing.

Losing Larsson was a blow, but he’s a UFA, and hearing some of the personal stuff he was dealing with I’m glad he’s getting a fresh start. Hard to fault either side at all.

And am fine with Hyman. I know posters here like to poopoo on it saying that it’s not going to make any difference, and that it doesn’t matter, but a top 6 LW was a hole last year. Hyman allows Mcdavid and Drai to be split up more and each have quality wingers. Or if they do play together you can run a second line of Hyman - Nuge - Yams

Cap hit is fine, term a bit long, but you always overpay for FA.

Smith as backup/1B fine by me. Don’t want to see Koski back though.

Holland sees that the window is 4-5 years. Looks like he’s going for it. He’s been second in the division both years since he came here, and a lot of the deals people were crapping on him for (Barrie, Smith) turned out great.

Is it the way I would have gone? Probably not. But he’s a HOF GM, and I’m just some schmuck in Saskatchewan.

The Oilers have a better goaltending option than Smith?

News to me.

He is a good 1B option. The fact that they will inevitably play him into the ground as the starter, as well as the putrid defending ability of their blue line minus Larsson, is exactly why going "all in" (splurging cap on forwards) will not mean a damn while they ignore the gaping holes, yet again.

The team is overwhelmingly one-dimensional and without huge upgrades on the back end will be trying to outscore the goals they give up.

Year in, year out, its the same story. Then they go and blow money on another couple forwards every offseason thinking just a little more offence is all they need.

If they emphasized defence as much as they did help for McDavid, they might actually be a threat today. But thank god they are ineptly run right down to the foundation.

Pissing away 8+ years of McDavid like this take serious skill at being no good.

[djsFlames]

I'd frankly be terrified going into a season with that d-corps.

But Hyman is the answer! He will defend and drive play, and score 5 on 5!

He sure helped the Leafs break through against mtl.