[News] As expected Kraken select Giordano from the Flames

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

This year's trade deadline? Oh, no, never mind. Any contender would have needed the tagging room to take on Giordano's contract for '21-22, in spite of knowing that they were dead certain to lose him for nothing in the expansion draft. Any team that had a protection slot to waste on a 38-year-old player with one year left on his deal was not a contender.

This stuff has all been pointed out over and over again, and none of the ‘Treliving DUMB’ crowd have ever come up with a plausible trade that the Flames could have made at that time. Maybe, just maybe, not everything that goes wrong in the world is Brad Treliving's fault?

Sorry I'm not buying it. Teams who are contending load up for playoffs and worry about things like this later. There are multiple options. You get him for a playoff run and maybe you lose him. Maybe some teams are willing to protect him over someone else. Maybe a team is able to trade another player to make room as we saw some teams do this off season. There are multiple options. A team who wanted to make a run who risks losing him for nothing in a worse case scenario makes a lot more sense than a team who was clearly out of the playoffs and going nowhere. But sure tell yourself whatever you need to justify more terrible asset management.

[iloveicedhockey]

I have a jersey that he wore in one of the atb ads that I never got signed. Maybe I'll try when he comes back next season.

Stand up guy, who'll be a ball ache to play against.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by TheChief

Judging from that Darren Haynes quote it sounds like Gio wanted out of the dumpster fire that Tree has created.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yep, any GM who was not a blundering buffoon would have used his mind-control ray to force Brodie to re-sign, and Francis to pass up his pick from Calgary in the expansion draft.

What an idiot, can't even make mindless puppets out of other human beings!

Come on Jay. I get that you are annoyed with a lot of the negativity here, but some of it is warranted.


If you were to tell me 2 seasons back that the Flames were going to lose both Giordano and Brodie with no assets returned, I wouldn't have believed you. That is disappointing.


Treliving also didn't need some mind-control to re-sign Brodie. Brodie called Treliving, but Treliving kept Brodie waiting while he was busy signings other players. What is Brodie going to do? Wait until he doesn't have a seat either? Treliving could have had one of the AGMs negotiating as well. I think that's a fair criticism.


As for Giordano being selected this time around - rock and a hard place. However, it is disappointing that Giordano was picked for free, when the drop-off from Gio to the next unprotected player is quite huge. I'm no GM, but it is disappointing that nothing ended up getting done where Giordano was concerned. I would rather lose him for a B prospect somewhere in the east than to give Seattle that ammunition - something comparable to the next insignificant piece that Seattle would have taken from Calgary.


I am not happy with the recent asset management in Calgary, or the direction. There is no need to go overboard and blame Treliving for rumours - that I get. But to lose the Flames' top 2 defencmen for nothing in 2 consecutive years is poor asset management, and this team is seemingly trending down.


I am really curious what this off-season brings. I am optimistic that Treliving can do something positive here and turn this team around - or at least I am trying to be. I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about Treliving's decisions this off-season, however. I am much less optimistic than I normally am.


Like I said, I think you are bang on in your defence of Treliving for stuff that is being thrown around in the much of rumours, but there are legitimate reasons to criticize Treliving for, and in my opinion, losing both Giordano and Brodie for nothing is a setback to this organization, regardless of the reasons. Treliving had time to plan for both events. Brodie's contract didn't just end unexpectedly, and this expansion draft just didn't happen out of the blue. There was time to make plans (and backup plans!).



This is nowhere near a Stanley Cup contender that expects to lose some top players. This is a team that didn't make the playoffs this season, hasn't made the playoffs consistently under Treliving, and has 3 playoff game wins in the last 6 seasons. I think some criticism here is more than valid, especially after this team just lost its' captain, which make this a consecutive year in which they lost a top pairing defencemen for nothing.


The rumours resulting in demands to fire Treliving? Not warranted. Valid criticism? Absolutely Treliving is deserving of a lot of criticism right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Sorry I'm not buying it. Teams who are contending load up for playoffs and worry about things like this later. There are multiple options. You get him for a playoff run and maybe you lose him. Maybe some teams are willing to protect him over someone else. Maybe a team is able to trade another player to make room as we saw some teams do this off season. There are multiple options. A team who wanted to make a run who risks losing him for nothing in a worse case scenario makes a lot more sense than a team who was clearly out of the playoffs and going nowhere. But sure tell yourself whatever you need to justify more terrible asset management.

Which contender could absorb the cap hit, even pro rated?

[sureLoss]

Lebrun confirms the asking price for the Flames to keep Gio was a 1st + 3rd.

https://theathletic.com/2721824/2021...-pull-off-now/

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Sorry I'm not buying it. Teams who are contending load up for playoffs and worry about things like this later. There are multiple options. You get him for a playoff run and maybe you lose him. Maybe some teams are willing to protect him over someone else. Maybe a team is able to trade another player to make room as we saw some teams do this off season. There are multiple options. A team who wanted to make a run who risks losing him for nothing in a worse case scenario makes a lot more sense than a team who was clearly out of the playoffs and going nowhere. But sure tell yourself whatever you need to justify more terrible asset management.

Worry about it later. In a cap static world.

That’s what a losing GM would do.

There is a reason why players with large continuing cap hits aren’t moved at the deadline.


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[chummer]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Lebrun confirms the asking price for the Flames to keep Gio was a 1st + 3rd.

https://theathletic.com/2721824/2021...-pull-off-now/

"The Flames will endeavour now to replace him on the blue line, but there’s no question in my mind they made the right call despite the difficulty in it."

[tvp2003]

Treliving had a plan, it just didn't work out. If we have a few more playoff berths and series wins, losing a guy like Gio would have been just part of the deal. It obviously didn't work out that way.

While it isn't directly his fault that the players didn't perform (coaching aside), at the end of the day the results aren't there and as a GM he has to wear that.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Treliving had a plan, it just didn't work out. If we have a few more playoff berths and series wins, losing a guy like Gio would have been just part of the deal. It obviously didn't work out that way.

While it isn't directly his fault that the players didn't perform (coaching aside), at the end of the day the results aren't there and as a GM he has to wear that.

Yes, as far as results go, he hasn’t been a success and at the end of the day that’s where he’s judged.

Just on Gio though, a whole lot of people were hoping for just this result a few months ago when Gio was struggling and his 1.5 year cap hit loomed large.

[Mr.Coffee]

Being annoyed that other fans are annoyed about the Flames overall management is peak CP. And also, ridiculous (but in a hilarious kind of way).

[Dion]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418038974052929538

[Flames89]

It’s the right move, but colour me sad

[2macinnis2]

I have one message for fans clamoring for Treliving’s head:

Have faith in Darryl Sutter.

He was in on the team for the half season and has observed for much longer likely. If Gio was indispensable as a team leader no way he gives him up. Darryl knows this game and players as well as anyone. He saw what we saw in 2019: as well as Gio may play and as great a story as he may be, he will never lead a winning team through hard times.

For Flames fans who appreciate how well Gio had played and meant, of course today is sad. But for those who have been left wanting more the last 4-5 years, this is absolutely a step away from the wrong direction.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Dion

https://twitter.com/user/status/1418038974052929538

His interviews are so incredibly frustrating.
He talks about planning for this for a year and knowing it was coming for 2 years but when asked if there was trades they tried to make he just says "we're going to keep that internal".

The media give him mostly fluff questions because he won't answer anything serious anyway.

I know you can't share everything with fans but it's so frustrating to hear how they plan for things, look at situations, and never any specifics or even tidbits of what those are.

It really does come off as empty lip service to save face.

[dammage79]

I'm really happy they didn't pay any price to keep Gio. Love the guy but the team needs an aenima.

The next step is what they do with this cap flex they have.

And then what to do about the LW logjam. And then filling big top 6 holes in the roster.

[Royle9]

I was not expecting Tre to look so visually shaken by this, but alas he's human like the rest of us and you could tell he was pretty upset about losing Gio.

We'll miss you Mark, come back and retire a Flame.

[calgARI]

As a fan of the Flames and NHL for a long time, this is an incredibly sad day that testifies to serious downfalls in professional sports. The trees are all in tree museums.

I am an economist and understand the role growth plays. But this league has become too buttoned up and exclusively focused on growth. Free agency is necessary and good. It has led to player movement so that they can be paid their fair share of revenues. But this is a case of mutual desire to stay together for the duration of a player’s career. He is 38 so obviously there were players to prioritize above him for protection. The league has commoditized everything. And the trees are on display for viewers to pay to see.

I am embarrassed to be a fan of this league today that has prioritized growth at the expense of everything. Mark Giordano wanted to play his whole career as a Calgary Flame and the organization wanted him to play his whole career with it. A truly sad state of affairs.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

...It really does come off as empty lip service to save face.

It's called "NHL GMing." Expecting anything different from any hockey executive is begging for frustration. There are few things more futile than whining about what the GM says in public. Reading about all the whining is positively aggravating.

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[Cube Inmate]

Gio is one of the few defensemen I truly enjoy watching at both ends of the ice. Whether he ends up in Seattle or somewhere else, I'll keep an eye on him.