[Rumour] Kraken exploring Giordano/Strome swap with Rangers

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Why didn't the Flames just trade Gio to NYR then? I'm assuming Seattle is keeping a lot of the salary?

The expansion rules heavily favor Seattle in this situation. Although, Chicago did manage to get a return for Duncan Keith

[TheScorpion]

I'm just not sure I buy the "he couldn't be traded because he needed to be protected if he was traded before the draft!" thing, given that Detroit, Edmonton, and Philly all added (and protected) Nick Leddy, Duncan Keith, and Ryan Ellis prior to the roster freeze.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just not sure I buy the "he couldn't be traded because he needed to be protected if he was traded before the draft!" thing, given that Detroit, Edmonton, and Philly all added (and protected) Nick Leddy, Duncan Keith, and Ryan Ellis prior to the roster freeze.

I think it’s fair to hope that our GM executes at a high level, like some of the other GMs in the league do. He doesn’t seem to be able to though, and that’s a bummer (see: the complete lack of success and poor prospect pool).

Chicago got a 3rd and a depth defenceman for a broken-down liability with more term left on his deal.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just not sure I buy the "he couldn't be traded because he needed to be protected if he was traded before the draft!" thing, given that Detroit, Edmonton, and Philly all added (and protected) Nick Leddy, Duncan Keith, and Ryan Ellis prior to the roster freeze.

Always seems to be the vocal minority of two extremes; either Treliving needs to be fired into the sun, or can do no wrong. You're 100 percent right IMO, there were options out there.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just not sure I buy the "he couldn't be traded because he needed to be protected if he was traded before the draft!" thing, given that Detroit, Edmonton, and Philly all added (and protected) Nick Leddy, Duncan Keith, and Ryan Ellis prior to the roster freeze.

That’s what some people are putting in the imagined ‘rage’ bucket haha

[dammage79]

Nothing has happened yet other than the expected of Gio being taken by the Kraken. It's a shock to see a rumor like this but we don't know anything more than someone's frankly strange speculation. Rangers take gio to stop the Kraken from taking Blackwell? Uhhh, who the hell is Blackwell and why is he so important?

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just not sure I buy the "he couldn't be traded because he needed to be protected if he was traded before the draft!" thing, given that Detroit, Edmonton, and Philly all added (and protected) Nick Leddy, Duncan Keith, and Ryan Ellis prior to the roster freeze.

and maybe those teams weren't on his preferred list (or whatever his clause is)...I think people are just saying it wasn't as easy as everyone thinks

[AC]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just not sure I buy the "he couldn't be traded because he needed to be protected if he was traded before the draft!" thing, given that Detroit, Edmonton, and Philly all added (and protected) Nick Leddy, Duncan Keith, and Ryan Ellis prior to the roster freeze.

Gio to Edmonton might have been the only possibility then, but trading your captain to your rival is probably not something the team wanted to do.

Philly landing Ellis is a huge get, I don't see them being interested in Gio given their other rumoured target was Seth Jones.

And Detroit is still Detroit. Gio also has a NTC, remember.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Why didn't the Flames just trade Gio to NYR then? I'm assuming Seattle is keeping a lot of the salary?

Likely the trade wasn't available. The Rangers would then have to protect Gio and expose the guy they are "saving" via this trade.

Anyway, the tweet seems pretty speculative about who is going to the Rangers.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Like he could have flipped Gio to the Rangers himself? Rangers needed to protect their D so I don’t get how this is on Treliving?

People love to complain

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think it’s fair to hope that our GM executes at a high level, like some of the other GMs in the league do. He doesn’t seem to be able to though, and that’s a bummer (see: the complete lack of success and poor prospect pool).

Chicago got a 3rd and a depth defenceman for a broken-down liability with more term left on his deal.

so you would have been happy to trade Gio to E-NG for the same return????

[868904]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just not sure I buy the "he couldn't be traded because he needed to be protected if he was traded before the draft!" thing, given that Detroit, Edmonton, and Philly all added (and protected) Nick Leddy, Duncan Keith, and Ryan Ellis prior to the roster freeze.

I think this organization sometimes just cares more about the optics of how they treat players than actually winning.

They didn't want to appear like they were willing to lose Giordano so they couldn't trade him. They made a lot of fuss about how much they wanted to keep him but really didn't actually do anything.

Same with Iginla, they waited till Iggy basically wanted out and had little value before they even entertained the idea.

They probably could have traded Gio before the expansion draft, but didn't want to look like the bad guy in the situation.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I'm just not sure I buy the "he couldn't be traded because he needed to be protected if he was traded before the draft!" thing, given that Detroit, Edmonton, and Philly all added (and protected) Nick Leddy, Duncan Keith, and Ryan Ellis prior to the roster freeze.

You definitely could be right but other teams knew the Flames were bent over a barrel so not sure which teams were willing to spend. I suppose a 3rd is better than nothing.

I imagine Gio would of had the Wings, Oilers on their list. Philly sent out a Dman who was a lock to be protected to get Ellis.

Maybe the Flames could have done something but I am not convinced.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Nothing has happened yet other than the expected of Gio being taken by the Kraken. It's a shock to see a rumor like this but we don't know anything more than someone's frankly strange speculation. Rangers take gio to stop the Kraken from taking Blackwell? Uhhh, who the hell is Blackwell and why is he so important?

And again, more importantly, what’s going the other way?

Remember Tre’s price was a first and a third

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by AC

Gio to Edmonton might have been the only possibility then, but trading your captain to your rival is probably not something the team wanted to do.

Philly landing Ellis is a huge get, I don't see them being interested in Gio given their other rumoured target was Seth Jones.

And Detroit is still Detroit. Gio also has a NTC, remember.

Gross I'd rather have Gio walk for free than have him put on that ugly Oilers pylon jersey.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think it’s fair to hope that our GM executes at a high level, like some of the other GMs in the league do. He doesn’t seem to be able to though, and that’s a bummer (see: the complete lack of success and poor prospect pool).

Chicago got a 3rd and a depth defenceman for a broken-down liability with more term left on his deal.

You wanted Treliving to trade Gio to Edmonton?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by AC

Gio to Edmonton might have been the only possibility then, but trading your captain to your rival is probably not something the team wanted to do.

Philly landing Ellis is a huge get, I don't see them being interested in Gio given their other rumoured target was Seth Jones.

And Detroit is still Detroit. Gio also has a NTC, remember.

Philly traded a forward they would have been forced to protect and a Dman they would have been forced to protect to get Ellis. Nashville was able to flip that forward to Vegas (who does not lose a player to expansion) for a forward who was exempt.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You wanted Treliving to trade Gio to Edmonton?

He seems to have given Giordano to Seattle for free, which in turn gave Seattle assets. Assets that are likely in the form of something that this team needs desperately (draft picks).

Both are division rivals.

What I would have liked to have seen was Treliving manage proactively for once and not have had it get to this spot. We lost (arguably) the best player in the expansion draft and we’re not even a playoff team. That’s just bad management, and it should get called out. It’s why this team has had zero success.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You wanted Treliving to trade Gio to Edmonton?

If it makes Calgary better, why wouldn't every option be exhausted?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Philly traded a forward they would have been forced to protect and a Dman they would have been forced to protect to get Ellis. Nashville was able to flip that forward to Vegas (who does not lose a player to expansion) for a forward who was exempt.

Right. As I said above, if Calgary gets any player back in a trade with NYR or any other team, they immediately have to expose that guy or another player.