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Frank the Tank · 03-05-2007, 11:22 AM

Its always the parents fault....

FireFly · 03-05-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Its always the parents fault....

I'm not saying it's always the parents fault, but the nurture argument is huge. Sure, she's a grown woman and should know better, but if she was never taught better how should she know? It's like trying to teach a grown man to put the toilet seat down... some things need to be taught early for them to stick.

La Flames Fan · 03-05-2007, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

I'm not saying it's always the parents fault, but the nurture argument is huge. Sure, she's a grown woman and should know better, but if she was never taught better how should she know? It's like trying to teach a grown man to put the toilet seat down... some things need to be taught early for them to stick.

I don't think Britney's parents were the best parents. Plus when you are a child star as she was, you do live in a very strange, different world.

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There is now report denying this happened:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6392963.stm
Of course, one would expect them to deny it anyways.

This was from a week or so ago, when it was reported she had tried to commit suicide then. I don't think there's been any denials on this one yet.

Frank the Tank · 03-05-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

I'm not saying it's always the parents fault, but the nurture argument is huge. Sure, she's a grown woman and should know better, but if she was never taught better how should she know? It's like trying to teach a grown man to put the toilet seat down... some things need to be taught early for them to stick.

Have you been to my house?! Seriously, I just caught hell for this this morning!

I see your point. I just refuse to feel sorry for her. At some point, people have to be responsible for their own lives and direction. Its obvious to me (as an outsider, I know, it makes it easier) that she is trying to fill an empty void in her life with "stuff" whether it is kids or fame or wealth. My main point is that MANY of these "famous" people have done NOTHING to get where they are and do NOTHING to contribute to society, yet I am bombarded with stories and images of these vacant tools every time I open a newspaper or fire up the internet. Just drives me nuts is all.

La Flames Fan · 03-05-2007, 11:39 AM

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Have you been to my house?! Seriously, I just caught hell for this this morning!

I see your point. I just refuse to feel sorry for her. At some point, people have to be responsible for their own lives and direction. Its obvious to me (as an outsider, I know, it makes it easier) that she is trying to fill an empty void in her life with "stuff" whether it is kids or fame or wealth. My main point is that MANY of these "famous" people have done NOTHING to get where they are and do NOTHING to contribute to society, yet I am bombarded with stories and images of these vacant tools every time I open a newspaper or fire up the internet. Just drives me nuts is all.

I thought a lot about that lately....Which is why I went Paris Hilton Free as of March 1, 2007. Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears (you're right), give nothing to society. Simply tabloid, CNN, Nancy Grace and my blog's fodder.

Burninator · 03-05-2007, 11:42 AM

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I would suggest that you don't know her at all, so who are you to say she begged for the spotlight? Who are you to say that she's the one who made her life what it is? She was what, 16 when she hit it big? Whose fault is that? She was in the Mickey Mouse Club at 10 or so... now I know that she didn't decide to audition or make it to that audition without her parents...

People do what they are taught/allowed to do. Look no further than her screwed up childhood and her parents if you'd like to blame anyone for the life she's developed. She has an audience of millions and every time she screws up it's reported in the news... from the time she's 16. Do you think you'd be normal after that? Britney, along with many other child stars whose parents 'encouraged' such actions, are excellent examples of what happens when a parent pushes a child too hard too early.

And if the media stayed out of her personal life, I'm sure it would be much different.

Her parents may have gotten her in the lime light. But there is no reason why she can't get herself out of it. It's not like she is staying away from the media. Going out and partying with the "no-panties" crew that is Paris Hilton isn't exactly saying "let me live my life." The parents are partly to blame. But she is an adult now. An adult with kids. So if being the spot light is bad for her life, then as a good parent she needs to get out of the spot light.

If anyone thinks that a celebrity like Spears can't escape stardom think again. Cat Stevens left it all behind when he was pretty much at his peak. Britney is hardly at her peak so it shouldn't be a problem for her.

FireFly · 03-05-2007, 11:45 AM

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Her parents may have gotten her in the lime light. But there is no reason why she can't get herself out of it. It's not like she is staying away from the media. Going out and partying with the "no-panties" crew that is Paris Hilton isn't exactly saying "let me live my life." The parents are partly to blame. But she is an adult now. An adult with kids. So if being the spot light is bad for her life, then as a good parent she needs to get out of the spot light.

If anyone thinks that a celebrity like Spears can't escape stardom think again. Cat Stevens left it all behind when he was pretty much at his peak. Britney is hardly at her peak so it shouldn't be a problem for her.

But she doesn't know how to be a good parent and she doesn't know what being out of the spotlight is like so how is she to know that would be better for her? I agree that she's not doing anything to help herself, but the problem likely is she doesn't know how to help herself.

ken0042 · 03-05-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

This was from a week or so ago, when it was reported she had tried to commit suicide then.

D'oh! I should have looked at the date.

Burninator · 03-05-2007, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FireFly

I'm not saying it's always the parents fault, but the nurture argument is huge. Sure, she's a grown woman and should know better, but if she was never taught better how should she know? It's like trying to teach a grown man to put the toilet seat down... some things need to be taught early for them to stick.

Just because your parents did a bad job of raising you, doesn't mean that you will be a bad parent. But as far as being a celebrity goes it does seem to vary person to person. Some seem to take the stress fine and others, such as Britney, go nucking futs.

FireFly · 03-05-2007, 02:18 PM

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Just because your parents did a bad job of raising you, doesn't mean that you will be a bad parent. But as far as being a celebrity goes it does seem to vary person to person. Some seem to take the stress fine and others, such as Britney, go nucking futs.

Absolutely. Statistically speaking though, you are more likely to be a bad parent.

Boreal · 03-05-2007, 04:19 PM

Built up to break down. It's a sad fact of society.

Bobblehead · 03-05-2007, 04:28 PM

Isn't this the whole "nature versus nurture" debate?

Personally, I don't think there is one conclusion. Everyone is influenced in different measures. Some people will turn out OK no matter what happens and others will turn out bad no matter what happens (the nature side). Other people are heavily influenced by how they are raised. I think most people fall somewhere in between.

The parents should (and most will) do their very best, whether their influence turns out to be 99% or 1%.