[News] Giordano left unprotected in expansion draft

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Even if Seattle dropped its ransom to a third round pick, it'd be too much.

Not to me.

I see Giordano as a year over year player going forward for the next three ... so it's not a one year thing.

There's the potential that this season doesn't go well and you can move him for more than that at the deadline.

Add in he's the captain and could coast to coast in the jersey and it's easily worth a third round pick.

Wouldn't go into a second though.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Just struck me as an odd thing to say. "If we pick you, you'll be our captain."

If you like the guy enough to be your captain, why would you be waffling on taking him? Of course you'll take him.

Its a solid guess by Kypreos but sounded like he was making up a dialogue that didn't happen.

I think they meant to say “we like you Mark, but not as much as a 1st and 3rd round pick, so if we don’t get that, we’ll make you captain, respect!”

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not to me.

I see Giordano as a year over year player going forward for the next three ... so it's not a one year thing.

There's the potential that this season doesn't go well and you can move him for more than that at the deadline.

Add in he's the captain and could coast to coast in the jersey and it's easily worth a third round pick.

Wouldn't go into a second though.

If Gus was worth a 3rd round pick, Gio full year rental worth far more than that. But difference is cap space that losing Gio creates.

I was OK with giving up even a 2nd rounder but after a couple of days reflection, I think it’s just time to let it go. Great contract for the Flames and this is the year that money is better spent elsewhere. Gio declined last year and I expect it will continue.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I saw that. His analysis is fatally flawed, because he only counted players whose average production over their entire career was equivalent to a top-6 forward or top-4 D in a particular year. Very, very few players ever achieve that.

You are right in that the data I had to work with originally didn’t allow me to compare players apples to apples. However, I have since replaced the dataset and can now compare players at the same arc of their careers (ie D+7 to D+12 years). This allows a comparison of players in their primes years no matter which season they were drafted in. I have a little work left on the model and will share the results when I’m done.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Just struck me as an odd thing to say. "If we pick you, you'll be our captain."

If you like the guy enough to be your captain, why would you be waffling on taking him? Of course you'll take him.

Its a solid guess by Kypreos but sounded like he was making up a dialogue that didn't happen.

I think that is smart because as much as you think that will be your pick you never know if the opposing GM will come back with an overpay at the final hour.

[Scroopy Noopers]

I can’t even imagine how complicated Seattle’s working documents must be. So many options, and variables… each selection affects the rest. Probably have 15 trades discussed and outlined…

Man, that would be so fun despite the stress and work!

[Robbob]

I can't see them naming him the captain if the plan is to trade him at the deadline.

[klikitiklik]

Soooooo.......What happens when Seattle picks not Giordano?

Do we simply welcome him back with open arms and say you are still our Captain or is the organization going to make a hockey trade?

I know it's professional sports but feels like we burnt a bridge.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

Soooooo.......What happens when Seattle picks not Giordano?

Do we simply welcome him back with open arms and say you are still our Captain or is the organization going to make a hockey trade?

I know it's professional sports but feels like we burnt a bridge.

For sure no bridge was burnt, that all part of running a professional organization. Flames will be very classy how this is handled no matter what occurs.

Lots of big name players were exposed.

[Stillman16]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

Soooooo.......What happens when Seattle picks not Giordano?

Do we simply welcome him back with open arms and say you are still our Captain or is the organization going to make a hockey trade?

I know it's professional sports but feels like we burnt a bridge.

Nope, no bridge burnt, I see it the same as the Price situation. Both guys who are team first, and realize this is the best way to help the team. There is a chance both are selected, they are great players and leaders.

But Price has injury questions, and Giordano is approaching the last few years of his career.

Both know the best case scenario is they aren’t selected AND another valuable piece (Hanafin, Anderssen, Tanev—Allen) are retained as well. And both hope their question marks keep them safe….it’s a gamble they are both prepared for and agreed too.

Frankly, I wish more players showed more team loyalty, like accepting mutually favourable contracts to allow the team to be more competitive…I understand that they don’t for good reasons too (teams don’t usually, only short career, etc). But really, is an extra million or two going to matter much to McDavid, or would he prefer to win a cup?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I can't see them naming him the captain if the plan is to trade him at the deadline.

Well that’s not going to be the plan if they are in a playoff spot.

[The Yen Man]

Think about it this way. Remember when Gio first signed his deal, we all said it's a fantastic deal at the front of the contract, but will most likely be an albatross near the end when he declines, and we have to still pay him for the last year, but that's the price we had to pay in order to get him at a lower cap hit. Well, I guess Seattle kind of took care of that problem for the Flames. We got the best years of Gio on that contract, and now Seattle is taking on probably the worst year of it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by klikitiklik

Soooooo.......What happens when Seattle picks not Giordano?

Do we simply welcome him back with open arms and say you are still our Captain or is the organization going to make a hockey trade?

I know it's professional sports but feels like we burnt a bridge.

This was probably at least part of the “exploring every option” story. He knows they tried to keep him, he knows Seattle was asking a ridiculous price, so there’s no blame to assign.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by flambers

Makes sense, an expansion team will require a strong captain.

My guess the insider heard this from the agent.

Who knows

The only strong captain in Gio is he has experience and he is old

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Think about it this way. Remember when Gio first signed his deal, we all said it's a fantastic deal at the front of the contract, but will most likely be an albatross near the end when he declines, and we have to still pay him for the last year, but that's the price we had to pay in order to get him at a lower cap hit. Well, I guess Seattle kind of took care of that problem for the Flames. We got the best years of Gio on that contract, and now Seattle is taking on probably the worst year of it.

That is my way of thinking as well. He turns 38 in a couple months and more often than not when a player starts losing it, it goes rather quickly. He was always going to be a bit of an unknown as to how long he could keep his game at a high level. As much as it sucks to see him go, if he goes, now it is Seattle issue to worry about.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The only strong captain in Gio is he has experience and he is old

I love how some people pretend to know what goes on in the locker room.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The only strong captain in Gio is he has experience and he is old

What a silly thing to say.

Pretty easy to find many a quote talking about how good a captain the guy has been. And even easier to find comments on good a human he is.

The team hasn't succeeded in the playoffs for sure, and he gets a share of that obviously, but why the need to discredit a guy that has done nothing but stick up for teammates, and be a stand up person in the community?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

What a silly thing to say.

Pretty easy to find many a quote talking about how good a captain the guy has been. And even easier to find comments on good a human he is.

The team hasn't succeeded in the playoffs for sure, and he gets a share of that obviously, but why the need to discredit a guy that has done nothing but stick up for teammates, and be a stand up person in the community?

Ok I should have added a nice guy and good for the community

Sorry I was thinking about leading the team to wins. How many times the team failed to show up under his leadership….

It depends on what you want in a captain I guess

[Roof-Daddy]

I have a hard time blaming the captain when a team fails to win.

It's not really his fault the team he's captaining isn't good enough.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The Flames only advanced beyond round 1 once the entire time Iginla was captain.
I guess he was a terrible captain too.