Seattle Expansion Draft Speculation

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by Hackey

This is why the Flames should have dealt Gio at the deadline last year. You get some pieces, you get some cap space, and you don't risk losing him for nothing. If he's exposed, I think he's 100% taken. Even if Seattle doesn't want him, there are a bunch of other teams that will make side deals for him. The Flames spending extra assets to keep him makes no sense. Gain some picks and cap space and move forward.

Exactly this. Flames have had poor asset management for a very long time and it has continued through Tre's GM tenure. I guess thats what constant mediocracy does to a team that is hellbent on never breaking the endless cycle

[Enoch Root]

lol

trying to make the playoffs, sign a new coach (should have happened 10 games sooner), and then you trade your captain and one of your 2 best defensemen, because some some fans are more concerned with acquiring draft picks than winning.

Yeah, that's not how it works.

[FlamesNation23]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

lol

trying to make the playoffs, sign a new coach (should have happened 10 games sooner), and then you trade your captain and one of your 2 best defensemen, because some some fans are more concerned with acquiring draft picks than winning.

Yeah, that's not how it works.

1. gio is not one of the 2 best defensemen.. at least last year

2. how much winning have we been doing recently?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by FlamesNation23

1. gio is not one of the 2 best defensemen.. at least last year

2. how much winning have we been doing recently?

I should point out that I agree with you. Regardless of where Giordano ranks, he should have been identified as a declining asset.

I understand that not everything is the GM's fault, but is part of his job not to try and predict and evaluate players while maintaining an on ice product?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I should point out that I agree with you. Regardless of where Giordano ranks, he should have been identified as a declining asset.

I understand that not everything is the GM's fault, but is part of his job not to try and predict and evaluate players while maintaining an on ice product?

I doubt Treliving was unaware Gio is declining. Up until well past the TDL the Flames had a shot at the POs though. There's no trade at that point which is not simply giving up on the season. It's a pretty tough sell to give in to a rebuild at that point.

Or some have said he should have been traded and Brody should have been re-signed. Now likely that was actually impossible and Brody was always going, but if that had happened we'd still have one top 4 D to expose out of Brody, Tanev, Hanifin and Andersson.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I doubt Treliving was unaware Gio is declining. Up until well past the TDL the Flames had a shot at the POs though. There's no trade at that point which is not simply giving up on the season. It's a pretty tough sell to give in to a rebuild at that point.

Or some have said he should have been traded and Brody should have been re-signed. Now likely that was actually impossible and Brody was always going, but if that had happened we'd still have one top 4 D to expose out of Brody, Tanev, Hanifin and Andersson.

I guess that's the difference between having a goal of making the playoffs vs winning the cup. Your first paragraph pretty much sums up the problems I have with the current goals of the team (just make the playoffs and anything can happen).

[shutout]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

As I posted in Lebrun thread, if we really have to contend now, why not leave Andersson exposed? If SEA takes him, you can find a #4 Dman for $5M or less. Personally, I would not hate being free of that contract...

And this is why smart hockey people don't listen to fans.
Because its always a good idea to get rid of defensemen with high hockey IQ and potential.
Why don't you suggest leaving Mangiapane and Dube exposed to protect Giordano as well.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I guess that's the difference between having a goal of making the playoffs vs winning the cup. Your first paragraph pretty much sums up the problems I have with the current goals of the team (just make the playoffs and anything can happen).

Not to derail this thread, but I would be interesting to see which teams *truly* have “win the cup” as their goal and their philosophy on building the team. It is probably easier if you’re attractive to UFAs (Vegas, NYR, etc) than if you’re Calgary, Edmonton, Columbus etc., but that philosophy requires an acceptance of multiple lean years, which requires more patience than most owners have (see NY Rangers and Flyers as examples of the owners changing their minds)

My guess is that most teams have a “build a team that is as good as possible this year” approach and go as far as possible in the playoffs

Might create a thread on this after the busy period is over…

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I guess that's the difference between having a goal of making the playoffs vs winning the cup. Your first paragraph pretty much sums up the problems I have with the current goals of the team (just make the playoffs and anything can happen).

Owners like to make money. Even more than that they don't want to lose money. Making the POs is the difference between the two.

Also, if they really dug into it, this was the year that "anything can happen" more than other years due to the PO format. Getting into the POs gave a good shot at winning at least a couple rounds. A different year and the Flames are playing Colorado or Vegas off the bat.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by shutout

And this is why smart hockey people don't listen to fans.
Because its always a good idea to get rid of defensemen with high hockey IQ and potential.
Why don't you suggest leaving Mangiapane and Dube exposed to protect Giordano as well.

Andersson was considered a success story until this season. A 23 year old D man having an off year in his third full season when expectations are higher isn't exactly earthshattering. Gio himself had a couple down years at seasons 4-5.

And Andersson, while not being as solid in his own end, did manage to increase his PPG significantly from the previous year, and was the second highest producer on D.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

As I posted in Lebrun thread, if we really have to contend now, why not leave Andersson exposed? If SEA takes him, you can find a #4 Dman for $5M or less. Personally, I would not hate being free of that contract...

Yeah I was actually thinking something similar. However, he is still very young for a D. A year ago everyone was putting Hanifin in every trade possible, especially with the expectations from Valimaki. This year it clicked for Hanifin. I think the same is likely for Andersson, even though he had a terrible year defensively. I still think that Andersson holds more value than one year of Giordano. I think a good solution would’ve been to use one of Hanifin/Andersson/Valimaki to get a young stud forward before the expansion draft, but I don’t think it’s likely.

[Vinny01]

Outside of Vegas, Vancouver and New Jersey who has a protection spot the Flames can send a Dman to?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Outside of Vegas, Vancouver and New Jersey who has a protection spot the Flames can send a Dman to?

Anaheim(can protect 8 skaters)? Buffalo(only 3 D signed, the rest are RFA's)?


It's hard for me to gauge, as I am not sure which players a team values more. Some team might be more inclined to lose a D if they get a better D from the Flames, and it means they don't lose a forward. Again It's a hard exercise at least with my level of knowledge.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Outside of Vegas, Vancouver and New Jersey who has a protection spot the Flames can send a Dman to?

Penguins? They’ve got to shed space though.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Outside of Vegas, Vancouver and New Jersey who has a protection spot the Flames can send a Dman to?

I think that the Senators could use an upgrade on the three they are protecting.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by vinny01

outside of vegas, vancouver and new jersey who has a protection spot the flames can send a dman to?

nyr? La?

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by shutout

And this is why smart hockey people don't listen to fans.
Because its always a good idea to get rid of defensemen with high hockey IQ and potential.
Why don't you suggest leaving Mangiapane and Dube exposed to protect Giordano as well.

Don't paint me with that brush. I would let Giordano be taken and walk away.
I don't think Andersson has that much upside - true - but my question was coming from the assumption that the Flames want to win "now" - i.e. keep Giordano and Tanev. If that is your goal, I think it is easier to replace Andersson for 5.3M than Giordano at 6.75 (our only offensive threat and sound defensively, under Sutter at least) or Tanev at 4.
If you do the math, I would rather lose and replace Andersson than pay a 1st and a 3rd to keep everyone.

PS Obviously, better to trade Andersson than to just expose and lose him for nothing. Should have been more clear. I was just saying that if push comes to shove, of the the 4 d-men, given the Flames want to "compete now", Andersson would be the easiest to replace and I don't much care for his contract.

[sureLoss]

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[Goriders]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I should point out that I agree with you. Regardless of where Giordano ranks, he should have been identified as a declining asset.

I understand that not everything is the GM's fault, but is part of his job not to try and predict and evaluate players while maintaining an on ice product?

From what I watched last season Gio is definitely a declining asset.

[Robbob]

I haven't really looked at the bluejackets, but is that a case of exposing Domi to protect someone or are they really that unhappy with him?