LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Well any team with more than 3 defenseman or 8 skaters that are somewhat good is backed into a corner.

That's what an expansion draft is.

Certainly not the time for the guys not backed into a corner to start bragging about how thin they are.

I mean, Anaheim isn't even good and they've got to expose three of Fowler, Lindholm, Manson, Fleury, Larsson or Shattenkirk.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Honestly I wish they could find a way to keep Giordano.

I like the story.

And I like the chances of him going season to season into his 40s on one year deals and adding to the story.

But you can only pay so much for sentimentality.

And I'm honestly still curious how Tanev's contract plays out. I would surmise the vast majority of this site had him breaking into pieces after two years and having the Flames on the hook for his last two years as a face palm.

Does he play as well and stay as healthy in the next three?

I would guess the Flames view Tanev as an controlled asset for 3 years

Gio however at his age and current contract. They have no control.

Decision, I would think was an easy one. (Tanev is protected, Gio is not)

However, I am not surprised Flames are trying to think of all options (i.e. can they find a way to keep Gio)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Just thinking about this. If you take into account that, for good or ill, the Flames are in "win now " mode with Sutter, and you look at performance and contracts... I am exposing Rasmus. I think, with his skills, speed and offense in particular, he is a #4, and I don't like that contract much for a #4 d-man. Leave him exposed - I think he is much easier to replace for that price than Giordano is for his price. I don't mind being free of that contract, given what I have seen in terms of production/performance. This is strictly from the perspective of short-term success. Otherwise, I just let Giordano go and not worry about it.

Suter is going to sign for more than 6.75? I know that it would take a lot more to get Suter to Calgary than anywhere in the US of A but 6.75 M USD would have his agent screaming at him to take it.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Which is why it boggles the mind a little that a non-contending, non-playoff team might be giving up such a high quality asset to expansion. Something wasn’t planned properly.

There are several teams better than the Flames who aren’t nearly as backed in to a corner.

But are they backed into a corner?

The other option would have been to not sign Tanev to avoid this situation, which wouldn't make the team better ... considerably worse.

They signed Giordano to a 6 year deal at 33 that spooked most of us that has aged so well that people are talking about losing him on the final year as backed into a corner.

Like most of the cap management argument, teams with great players on first contracts won't have big issues at all.

[Mattman]

Just by reading the first few pages of this thread, I am positive that a large majority of Flames fans would not be heartbroken to see Giordano picked up by Seattle.

Yes, he is our captain, who is no doubt a great person and has done some incredible things for Calgary on the ice and within the community. However, this is a hockey team in the NHL where the Flames have won 1 playoff round since the Cup run in 2004. Bringing in Sutter was a good change. Picking up Lindholm and Hannifin were good changes. But I can't think of a genuine polarizing move that Treliving has done for the better that has shifted the state of this team in his time here.

I don't know who I am praying to anymore, but please please please do not sell this teams future for a 38-year-old defenseman regardless of his history with the team and city. Flames fans would be sad for a little bit to see him go, but what hurts even more is being a laughing stock franchise when situations like this happen.

If he gets picked. Fine

If he doesn't. Fine.

Read the room and smell the smoke. Flames fans want change.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its really too bad Gio wasn't moved at the last deadline.

The problem with that is the same issue the Flames are dealing with right now. He has a year left on his contract, so he wouldn't have been a rental for the acquiring team. Any team that traded for him would be in the same situation the Flames are currently in with regards to figuring out how to protect him.

That would have likely deflated his trade value at the deadline.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Can't Gio just file his retirement papers and then say he misses the guys and come out of retirement in September or October?

[krynski]

From what I see, Gio is someone who has been a leader in the locker room, a captain, and has a strong calming effect. He has a lot of value on this team. Sure, maybe he is a bit over-paid, but for how long he’s been a valuable asset, Flames still come out ahead.

I’d hate to lose him, but it’s probably going to happen and for good reason. My only hope is that there is someone mature enough to fill his captaincy role. I see what McDavid is doing in garbageville, and he clearly was not ready. McDavid is not a natural leader, and needs help with that role. The problem is none of their players can handle that responsibility.

If we end up losing Gio, it is what it is, but I am a little concerned in about hat comes next and how they are going to try and fill not only his on ice position, but his leadership role as well.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Can't Gio just file his retirement papers and then say he misses the guys and come out of retirement in September or October?

Do we think this is really in his character? I sure don't.
Dude wants to play.
If he gets picked by Seattle he'll go there and do what he always does - which is put in his absolute max effort.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

Can't Gio just file his retirement papers and then say he misses the guys and come out of retirement in September or October?

No, there is no way the league would accept that

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I mean, Anaheim isn't even good and they've got to expose three of Fowler, Lindholm, Manson, Fleury, Larsson or Shattenkirk.

I get your point and agree, but...

Isn't Anaheim rumored to be going with 4 - 4? (Shattenkirk and Larsson exposed).

[Vinny01]

If they must protect Gio I would expose Tanev before paying any significant futures to try and keep them all.

One thing about exposing Tanev is it takes a long term deal off the books. Next summer the team has Gio, Johnny, Tkachuk, Mangiapane all up for renewal. If this year is not the summer of change well then next year certainly will be.

If Francis really wants Backlund then I think he makes the absolute most sense to expose and lose

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by krynski

From what I see, Gio is someone who has been a leader in the locker room, a captain, and has a strong calming effect. He has a lot of value on this team. Sure, maybe he is a bit over-paid, but for how long he’s been a valuable asset, Flames still come out ahead.

I’d hate to lose him, but it’s probably going to happen and for good reason. My only hope is that there is someone mature enough to fill his captaincy role. I see what McDavid is doing in garbageville, and he clearly was not ready. McDavid is not a natural leader, and needs help with that role. The problem is none of their players can handle that responsibility.

If we end up losing Gio, it is what it is, but I am a little concerned in about hat comes next and how they are going to try and fill not only his on ice position, but his leadership role as well.

Not sure what your concern about the next captain is. Gio has not lead the team to anything. They've been garbage in the playoffs, theres lots of speculation of problems in the dressing room given Tkachuk's regression, they've ripped through coaches like no one else and at 6.75 Gio has negative value on the team. Giving up any sort of asset to shield him from Seattle should be a friable offense. The team is going no where with or without Gio. So long, time to move on for both.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I get your point and agree, but...

Isn't Anaheim rumored to be going with 4 - 4? (Shattenkirk and Larsson exposed).

And still they lose decent Dman. Or a decent forward.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And still they lose decent Dman. Or a decent forward.

Hence the agree with your point.

edit (sorry had a call). Just pointing out that some weaker teams will utilize the option of protecting an extra defenseman because they don't have as much to lose up front. Realistically, they don't have much depth at forward.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If they must protect Gio I would expose Tanev before paying any significant futures to try and keep them all.

One thing about exposing Tanev is it takes a long term deal off the books. Next summer the team has Gio, Johnny, Tkachuk, Mangiapane all up for renewal. If this year is not the summer of change well then next year certainly will be.

If Francis really wants Backlund then I think he makes the absolute most sense to expose and lose

Without a doubt exposing Tanev will free up a lot of money as next offseason Gio's contract will have expired so a lot of cap money to spend. It just doesn't fit with the win-now direction the organization is in and makes the defense considerably worse as Tanev was making Gio and Hanfin look better than they are right now as he did with Hughes the year before.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But are they backed into a corner?

The other option would have been to not sign Tanev to avoid this situation, which wouldn't make the team better ... considerably worse.

They signed Giordano to a 6 year deal at 33 that spooked most of us that has aged so well that people are talking about losing him on the final year as backed into a corner.

Like most of the cap management argument, teams with great players on first contracts won't have big issues at all.

That's the thing. Fans seem predisposed to bitch about every situation, and find the negative in it. Then call for Treliving's head, based on their take.

But 5 years ago, Treliving signed Giordano to a 6 year, $6.75M contract. Everyone (including Treliving, obviously) knew that the last year, and possibly the last two years, were the penalty for the first few good years. But if someone said at the time, that there would be a second expansion draft, and Giordano would be claimed, relieving the Flames of that 6th year, everyone would have agreed that that would be a dream scenario.

And here we are, experiencing exactly that, and most fans (many of whom didn't like the Gio contract in the first place), are pissed and Calling for Treliving's head for allowing such a disastrous outcome.

It has gotten way beyond tiring.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Without a doubt exposing Tanev will free up a lot of money as next offseason Gio's contract will have expired so a lot of cap money to spend. It just doesn't fit with the win-now direction the organization is in and makes the defense considerably worse as Tanev was making Gio and Hanfin look better than they are right now as he did with Hughes the year before.

Hanifin for sure ...

With Tanev 54.6% CF% and 59.3% xGF%
With Andersson 50.0% and 48.5%

But Giordano is a bit of a different animal. He struggled with Andersson, but then Andersson struggled with Hanifin as well.

Tanev had his numbers go up huge from changing partners from Hanifin to Giordano.

CF% from 54.6 to 59.7%
xGF% from 59.3 to an amazing 66.6%

Just a solid pairing, think Giordano brought something to it as well.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If they must protect Gio I would expose Tanev before paying any significant futures to try and keep them all.

One thing about exposing Tanev is it takes a long term deal off the books. Next summer the team has Gio, Johnny, Tkachuk, Mangiapane all up for renewal. If this year is not the summer of change well then next year certainly will be.

If Francis really wants Backlund then I think he makes the absolute most sense to expose and lose

Tanev is our best current D-Man. I don't want to think about what our GAA is gonna look like without him. Gio good. Like Gio. Expose Gio. Protect Tanev.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Not sure what your concern about the next captain is. Gio has not lead the team to anything. They've been garbage in the playoffs, theres lots of speculation of problems in the dressing room given Tkachuk's regression, they've ripped through coaches like no one else and at 6.75 Gio has negative value on the team. Giving up any sort of asset to shield him from Seattle should be a friable offense. The team is going no where with or without Gio. So long, time to move on for both.

In 2018-2019, Gio led the team to have the best points % in the West. He's won:

2019 Norris
2020 Messier leadership award
2019 All-star
2016 NHL foundation player award

Perhaps he's not the GOAT for leaders in the history of the Flames Franchise, but he IS a leader on this team and he DOES fill a necessary leadership role. You can say he's never done anything, that is a pure lie.

You can choose to ignore that, but I think you don't understand leadership in team sports if you don't understand the role of a veteran leader in the locker room.

Edit: Also, what I bolded there has nothing to do with him, so why are you even bringing it up?