LeBrun: Flames are looking at every single scenario to try and keep Giordano

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by skipbittman

If Gio wants to stay in Calgary, buy him our ala Stone. Sign him to 2.25 for this year and he's not out any money. Cap hit from buyout + new contract = 4.5. Both the team and the player benefit from the 2.25 saved in cap space. Gio's not out any money and he's still a free agent next year. The 2.25 cap hit next year will make it more difficult to sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk, and Mangiapane etc. If TB didn't cheat in the post season and TO didn't cheat by waiting to sign Nylander until the season was under way then why not? Maybe he hangs up the phone on Tre...

No thank you. Expose and deal with the way it goes. Simple.

[PaperBagger'14]

Couldn't Gio just develop an allergy to his equipment, where a cure for the allergy (reactine) comes out during the break between regular season and the playoffs?

[The Original FFIV]

If we are intending to expose Gio, have to wonder if Tre will try to trade him to a team he wants to be moved to before the draft. Imagine he wants to stay in the west and if Seattle wants to flip him, they could be more ruthless than us given the lack of attachment. Some incentive from Gio’s end to work a deal out and send him to a destination of his preference, which we would probably be more amendable to doing than Seattle. Keep him close to home, which would suck on one hand by making a rival better but do right by the player and give him a soft landing spot. Arizona LA and Vancouver could use a dman and are close to home.

[jaydub74]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If we are intending to expose Gio, have to wonder if Tre will try to trade him to a team he wants to be moved to before the draft. Imagine he wants to stay in the west and if Seattle wants to flip him, they could be more ruthless than us given the lack of attachment. Some incentive from Gio’s end to work a deal out and send him to a destination of his preference, which we would probably be more amendable to doing than Seattle. Keep him close to home, which would suck on one hand by making a rival better but do right by the player and give him a soft landing spot. Arizona LA and Vancouver could use a dman and are close to home.

I don't disagree, I wonder if they trade him to a place he'd prefer if Seattle isn't desirable, but I doubt he cares if he stays out west. He's from Toronto, he may prefer to go east.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If we are intending to expose Gio, have to wonder if Tre will try to trade him to a team he wants to be moved to before the draft.

What, so that team will have to expose him and Seattle will claim him anyway?

The only way I can see a team trading for Giordano before the expansion draft is if there is a team out there that hasn't already got three defencemen it would rather protect. Can you think of a team that fits that description?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What, so that team will have to expose him and Seattle will claim him anyway?

The only way I can see a team trading for Giordano before the expansion draft is if there is a team out there that hasn't already got three defencemen it would rather protect. Can you think of a team that fits that description?

Arizona
Vancouver
LA

And if he will go east, Philly.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

What, so that team will have to expose him and Seattle will claim him anyway?

The only way I can see a team trading for Giordano before the expansion draft is if there is a team out there that hasn't already got three defencemen it would rather protect. Can you think of a team that fits that description?

The Penguins. A full season of Gio is worth more than at the deadline.

Hell, Toronto.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

The Penguins. A full season of Gio is worth more than at the deadline.

Hell, Toronto.

Trouble is then they don't want to lose assets either.

Expose Pettersson to protect Gio? Or include Pettersson in the deal, then we have to expose him? Not sure I see it working. I know he didn't have the greatest year but they still like the kid from my understanding

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Arizona
Vancouver
LA

None of those teams are contenders this coming year, so why would they want to give up any assets for a 38-year-old defenceman who is UFA at the end of the season?

Further questions:

If you ran the Canucks, which one of Tyler Myers, Nate Schmidt, and Olli Juolevi would you expose so you could protect Giordano?

If you ran the Kings, which one of Drew Doughty (who has an NMC in any case), Olli Määttä, and (let's say) take your pick of Matt Roy and Sean Walker?

If you ran the Coyotes, most of whose NHL defencemen are headed to UFA at present, you wouldn't have a problem finding a protection slot. But where would you propose to find an extra $6,750,000 to pay Giordano with?

I don't see any of these teams as plausible destinations.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

The Penguins. A full season of Gio is worth more than at the deadline.

Who do you expose if you're the Penguins, Letang, Matheson, or Dumoulin?

Hell, Toronto.

Who do you expose if you're the Leafs, Muzzin, Morgan, or Brodie?

I don't see either of those teams paying anything of value to acquire a defenceman and then having to expose one of their existing top 3.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Who do you expose if you're the Penguins, Letang, Matheson, or Dumoulin?

Easily Matheson.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

None of those teams are contenders this coming year, so why would they want to give up any assets for a 38-year-old defenceman who is UFA at the end of the season?

Further questions:

If you ran the Canucks, which one of Tyler Myers, Nate Schmidt, and Olli Juolevi would you expose so you could protect Giordano?

If you ran the Kings, which one of Drew Doughty (who has an NMC in any case), Olli Määttä, and (let's say) take your pick of Matt Roy and Sean Walker?

If you ran the Coyotes, most of whose NHL defencemen are headed to UFA at present, you wouldn't have a problem finding a protection slot. But where would you propose to find an extra $6,750,000 to pay Giordano with?

I don't see any of these teams as plausible destinations.

Pick him up to flip him at deadline for futures. Or hold onto him and maybe he teaches the young guys for a season. We aren’t getting a lot.

Vancouver. Expose Myers. Is Seattle taking that contract? Vancouver would be happy to get out from underneath that one. Green doesn’t trust juolevi. He might be exposed regardless.

LA. maata is expansion fodder so it’s walker or Roy. Treliving has done deals with LA so maybe there is some camaraderie that will help foster a deal. LA has young dmen that Gio may be able to mentor.

Arizona. Have that spot open and can probably flip Gio to gain some picks back that they’ve lost. They have a spot open and maybe they hold onto him and move him right after.

Philly was in on Jones but look like they are out. So they want an upgrade. Probably will look elsewhere for longer term solution but AV would love Gio after battling him when he was with Vancouver.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ped

Easily Matheson.

Matheson is only 27 and is under contract for five more years. Are you sure you would rather give up Matheson + other assets to get one year of Giordano?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Pellanor

They're not just drafting an NHL roster. They need a farm team too, and players who can clear waivers.

So, pick players that no one wants that can clear waivers?

Sounds like a sound strategy.


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[Roof-Daddy]

I wonder what it would take to get the Kraken to select Lucic instead of Gio.

Lucic is not a bad player, he's just overpaid by about $2 million or so.

From the Flames perspective of trying to win now, I'm sure they'd much rather lose a depth LW and keep their top 4 D together. That might be worth more to them than whatever it would take to get Seattle to select Looch.

Obviously if the cost is exorbitant then you just let them take Gio.

[topfiverecords]

Isn’t there a rule about expansion being able to place players in the minors after the draft without a chance of losing them on waivers?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I wonder what it would take to get the Kraken to select Lucic instead of Gio.

Lucic is not a bad player, he's just overpaid by about $2 million or so.

From the Flames perspective of trying to win now, I'm sure they'd much rather lose a depth LW and keep their top 4 D together. That might be worth more to them than whatever it would take to get Seattle to select Looch.

Obviously if the cost is exorbitant then you just let them take Gio.

Well more than a first round pick.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Well more than a first round pick.


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I doubt that, but if true then obviously you don't do it.

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So you are proposing Gio+Johnny at 50% retained, + Monahan+ another sweetener for Eichel. Congrats, you just made the Flames worse than Buffalo. Actually that makes them worse than everybody.

How so? By exchanging the core of this team, 2 of which have expiring contracts and have led this team to exactly nothing, and Monahan ( again who has led us to nothing), freeing up a ridiculous amount of money and FINALLY acquiring a young stud center. You think change is a bad idea?

Instead of that you lobby for what exactly? Keep the band together and HOPE for a miracle?

It’s time to look in the mirror. Without significant change, nothing significant will change.

Is Gio the answer? Nope, he’s 38 and on the decline.

Is Johnny the answer? Nope, he’s not built for playoff hockey nor does he excel at it.

Is Monahan the answer? He’s a solid 2nd line center but he’s not the answer as a stud 1st line center.

Is a young stud center to build around the answer? Yes, yes it is.

If you disagree, I’d love to hear a thought out retort.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

Is a young stud center to build around the answer? Yes, yes it is.

If you disagree, I’d love to hear a thought out retort.

How do you ‘build around’ your young stud centre? Certainly not by getting rid of most of the other good players on the roster. If Eichel + a bunch of scrubs were the recipe for a winning team, Buffalo would have won multiple championships by now.

And that's assuming that Eichel is (a) everything his supporters crack him up to be, and (b) not permanently set back by his very serious spinal injury. Both of those assumptions are open to question.