[Rumour] Friedman: Flames have begun contract negotiations with Gaudreau

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The only reason I was on the trade Johnny bandwagon was because I was one who believed he had no intention on staying here past his current deal especially with the lack of success and all the other benefits of playing in the East for him.

If the Flames can get him signed under $9M I am all in. 8x8 seems like the realistic number to me and we have to hope and trust the cap will be on the rise.

Yes, and ideally he’d be the Flames second best forward. That’s exactly why I hope the Flames can find a way to get Eichel.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think that is in the ballpark of what it will take, assuming he’ll even sign.

Johnny holds all the cards at this stage, and I doubt there will be any discount.


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I get that most players don’t take a discount, but I think it would have its benefits even for the player. One, you have a better chance at fielding a better team. Secondly, I think if you took a bit of a discount it would take some of the pressure off.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I don’t think anyone here has said Johnny is better than Kane. One makes 10.5 for a reason, the other does not. However Kane had a much better supporting cast.

Did Kane play with Brett Ritchie?

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Did Kane play with Brett Ritchie?

Uh no, that’s exactly what I’m saying.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Did Kane play with Brett Ritchie?

I am not defending this coaching move...nor am I saying that they are the same player...but Kane spent plenty of time with Bryan Bickell.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Did Kane play with Brett Ritchie?

Gaudreau played with Ritchie for less than a half season at most. He normally has had, along with Monahan: Hudler, Ferland, Lindholm, with a sprinkling of Bennett, Tkachuk, Neal , Robinson, Leivo, Mangiapane, Simon, Backlund, Chiasson, etc.

Kane has had linemates like Caggiula, Strome, Anisimov, Schmaltz, Suter etc.

[Robbob]

Flames issues since their good year is they have had slotting issues in their line up. Always seeming to jam square pegs into round holes. You aren't going to have much success running two thirds of a line daily. I thought when the team loaded up Gaudreau with Lindholm and Tkachuk they started to build on something. Problem is the other lines were lacking. It was probably pretty refreshing for Gaudreau playing with those guys though.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I get that most players don’t take a discount, but I think it would have its benefits even for the player. One, you have a better chance at fielding a better team. Secondly, I think if you took a bit of a discount it would take some of the pressure off.

Unless all your teammates also took discounts, your discount will make little difference.

Taking a discount to relieve pressure is the ultimate betting against yourself. “I don’t want fans to expect much from me”.


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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Unless all your teammates also took discounts, your discount will make little difference.

Taking a discount to relieve pressure is the ultimate betting against yourself. “I don’t want fans to expect much from me”.


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Yeah, the "hometown discount" concept really shouldn't be looked upon as a hometown thing anymore, and rather just a "do you want to win a championship?" conversation during contract negotiations.

Tampa has won two Stanley Cups, and a good deal of that can be attributed to Stamkos, the Captain, taking an $8.5M AAV, when he could have gone to market and got $11M. Ditto with Kucherov who signed a $9.5M AAV contract 10 days after Tavares signed his $11M AAV contract. Drafting Hedman #1 and then locking him in long-term at sub-$8M was also excellent work.

...those contracts, and the fact that they also then spent $18M over the cap, and how does anyone else even compete with that team?

The "Do you want to win a championship?" part of the negotiation process seems to be a mighty important piece.

[dino7c]

Don't forget about Florida tax and weather

Pretty nice market to be a GM

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

I don’t think anyone here has said Johnny is better than Kane. One makes 10.5 for a reason, the other does not. However Kane had a much better supporting cast.

The only point intended is that Kane is small and plays with the heart of Theoren Fleury while Johnny is small and does not. Your top players need to have the Claude Lemieux gene. If they don’t play their best when games actually matter, are tight checking, and the whistles get put away, what good are they? Ask yourself if making the playoffs and then getting destroyed is what you’ll be happy with. If not, then we need players built for playoff hockey. If you think Johnny plays his best in the playoffs, then I suppose we have nothing to debate.

[Groot]

I think Johnny would likely get in the $8.5 range on the open market. At 7 years that's 59.5 million. So break 60 million down over 8 years for a simple $7.5 million AAV.

if you can secure Gaudreau for between 7 and 7.5 AAV you do that in a heartbeat IMO.

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by Groot

I think Johnny would likely get in the $8.5 range on the open market. At 7 years that's 59.5 million. So break 60 million down over 8 years for a simple $7.5 million AAV.

if you can secure Gaudreau for between 7 and 7.5 AAV you do that in a heartbeat IMO.

In my opinion you package Johnny, Monahan, and whatever else it takes to get Eichel. We need a #1 stud Center to build around.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

In my opinion you package Johnny, Monahan, and whatever else it takes to get Eichel. We need a #1 stud Center to build around.

Well that is just foolish and turns us into the team he is leaving. Possibly worse.

[3rd Degree]

[QUOTE=dissentowner;7913584]Well that is just foolish and turns us into the team he is leaving. Possibly worse.[/QUOTE

What is more important than a stud #1 Center?

What odds do you give the Flames at winning the cup next year as currently constructed?

Being afraid to make a bold move is how you stay mired in mediocrity.

Johnny and Monahan have taken us nowhere, that is a fact.

Do either of them have what I call the Claude Lemieux gene?

Time to move forward.

[powderjunkie]

This really is Kessel 2.0. I'd rather take a mediocre trade return now than retaining $1M+ on our cap for 6 years to get a similar mediocre return in a few years.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

This really is Kessel 2.0. I'd rather take a mediocre trade return now than retaining $1M+ on our cap for 6 years to get a similar mediocre return in a few years.

Good thing option 2 is just a scenario you have in your head and not reality

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Good thing option 2 is just a scenario you have in your head and not reality

Just like every other opinion here. What's your point? Nothing 8s real if it hasn't happened yet.

[Samonadreau]

Freidmans speculation is just as vague is the speculation the flames arent making much progress.

Off course they are chatting, who knows if they are close at all.

[Reign of Fire]

[QUOTE=3rd Degree;7913598]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well that is just foolish and turns us into the team he is leaving. Possibly worse.[/QUOTE



What is more important than a stud #1 Center?



What odds do you give the Flames at winning the cup next year as currently constructed?



Being afraid to make a bold move is how you stay mired in mediocrity.



Johnny and Monahan have taken us nowhere, that is a fact.



Do either of them have what I call the Claude Lemieux gene?



Time to move forward.

Maybe if they gave Johnny someone better than Monahan, things would be different.

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