Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by flambers

When you look at the last 5 season in terms of goals.

Monahan has 124 goals vs Arvidsson with 119 . They are close in terms of goal production.

Not that close in points, position, size, and Arviddson is two years older, but has 200 less points (drafted late).

[Wood]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not that close in points, position, size, and Arviddson is two years older, but has 200 less points (drafted late).

He also has injury concerns of his own. Nashville fans were saying he's declined sharply since the Bortuzzo cross-check

You can't compare the Arvidsson deal to a Monahan deal in any way. Nashville was dealing to a very limited number of teams willing to take him on right now and have a spot to protect him from Seattle

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Not that close in points, position, size, and Arviddson is two years older, but has 200 less points (drafted late).

The difference in size and position sure. Plus Monahan scores more goals and is actually far more productive in the playoffs.

But the conclusion I get from this post is that Monahan started his NHL career at a younger age than Arvidsson did.
That has little, if anything, to do with their performance in the past 3 years, which matters a lot more if we're talking about projecting future totals or trade value.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The difference in size and position sure. Plus Monahan scores more goals and is actually far more productive in the playoffs.

But the conclusion I get from this post is that Monahan started his NHL career at a younger age than Arvidsson did.
That has little, if anything, to do with their performance in the past 3 years, which matters a lot more if we're talking about projecting future totals or trade value.

He also has quite a few more points in the last 5 years.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

^ Lol your garbage Eichel takes are getting tiresome

Not as tiresome as the garbage about Eichel being the next best thing to McDavid. Lanny is a grouch and a jerk, but he's right about two things: Jack Eichel is nowhere near Connor McDavid in offensive skill, and he is badly damaged goods. I wouldn't commit to paying him $50 million over the next five years, unless I could be sure he will recover fully from his injuries. And that's not even taking the cost of acquisition into account.

A fully healthy and motivated Eichel might be a $10-million-a-year player. An Eichel who may never be fully healthy again is not.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Good. Get it done.

I'd think something like 7x$8 would be fair for both sides.

That’s a bad deal for the Flames.

Anything more than $6M for Gaudreau is overpaying. He’s a small, soft, 70pt winger.

I’m pretty disappointed with the re-signing talk. I’ve wanted to see a Gaudreau trade for 2 years and truley thought it was going to happen this year.

[---Hatrick---]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

That’s a bad deal for the Flames.

Anything more than $6M for Gaudreau is overpaying. He’s a small, soft, 70pt winger.

I’m pretty disappointed with the re-signing talk. I’ve wanted to see a Gaudreau trade for 2 years and truley thought it was going to happen this year.

Sure, in your world it’s over paying. In the NHL, players who produce the way he does/has get that much money whether you like it or not.
Signing Johnny for $6M at pretty much any term would be an absolute steal

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

That’s a bad deal for the Flames.

Anything more than $6M for Gaudreau is overpaying. He’s a small, soft, 70pt winger.

I’m pretty disappointed with the re-signing talk. I’ve wanted to see a Gaudreau trade for 2 years and truley thought it was going to happen this year.

Yeah 70 point UFAs always sign for 6M or less lol

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Wood

He also has injury concerns of his own. Nashville fans were saying he's declined sharply since the Bortuzzo cross-check

One of the ugliest plays I’ve seen. 4 games was an absolute joke. Bortuzzo, having already cross checked guys while down, should have got 20 games for that ####.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by ---Hatrick---

Sure, in your world it’s over paying. In the NHL, players who produce the way he does/has get that much money whether you like it or not.
Signing Johnny for $6M at pretty much any term would be an absolute steal

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yeah 70 point UFAs always sign for 6M or less lol

A tale of two soft as baby #### players over the last 2 seasons:

Nugent Hopkins - C - 27 years old
117GP 38G 58A 96PTS -3 .82PPG

Gaudreau - RW - 27 years old
126GP 37GP 70A 107PTS -8 .85PPG


Nugent Hopkins just re-signed for $5.125M
Gaudreau will re-sign for ??


Is Gaudreau more physical than RNH? Is he better defensively? Is he a better leader (obviously not, judging by the fact he’s lead the team in scoring nearly a decade and doesn’t wear a letter)?

$6M is fair for Gaudreau. If he wants $8M, he needs to improve outside of his offensive production, otherwise I hope he gets that money from a different team.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

A tale of two soft as baby #### players over the last 2 seasons:

Nugent Hopkins - C - 27 years old
117GP 38G 58A 96PTS -3 .82PPG

Gaudreau - RW - 27 years old
126GP 37GP 70A 107PTS -8 .85PPG


Nugent Hopkins just re-signed for $5.125M
Gaudreau will re-sign for ??


Is Gaudreau more physical than RNH? Is he better defensively? Is he a better leader (obviously not, judging by the fact he’s lead the team in scoring nearly a decade and doesn’t wear a letter)?

$6M is fair for Gaudreau. If he wants $8M, he needs to improve outside of his offensive production, otherwise I hope he gets that money from a different team.

Gaudreau is the Flames catalyst. While the Nuge leeches points off of McDavid. Pretty big difference. If you swapped roles, I’m pretty sure we’d see a huge gap between the two.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Gaudreau is the Flames catalyst. While the Nuge leeches points off of McDavid. Pretty big difference. If you swapped roles, I’m pretty sure we’d see a huge gap between the two.

If your catalyst is Gaudreau, you have a serious problem in this league.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

If your catalyst is Gaudreau, you have a serious problem in this league.

So what? That doesn't change the fact that Gaudreau does not have a McDavid to help him inflate his scoring numbers.

You can't make a weak argument into a strong one by pointing and shouting, ‘Squirrel!’

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

If your catalyst is Gaudreau, you have a serious problem in this league.

I think he’s fine in that roll actually.

[The Fonz]

Mangiapane has greater value to this team than Gaudreau.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wood

He scored 22 as an 18 year old before Gaudreau ever made the Flames

If healthy, Monahan is good for at least 20 on any line

He scored 20 playing first line minutes smith PP time.

If he gets less usage, he’s not likely getting 20.

Not playing with Johnny means not getting the premium ice time.


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[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Mangiapane has greater value to this team than Gaudreau.

Not on the ice. Though I agree he’s a very good hockey player. If you’re talking financially, then yes currently he does. But I’m sure he’ll get a healthy raise after this season, then he’ll get to feel the fan pressure of being a bigger contract guy.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Not on the ice. Though I agree he’s a very good hockey player. If you’re talking financially, then yes currently he does. But I’m sure he’ll get a healthy raise after this season, then he’ll get to feel the fan pressure of being a bigger contract guy.

I mean on the ice, and in every other aspect.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I mean on the ice, and in every other aspect.

Now I can’t even take you seriously.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He scored 20 playing first line minutes smith PP time.

Rubbish. Monahan started out that year as the team's #3 centre, and did not become the #1 until the following year. He scored 19 goals and 27 points at even strength; only 3 and 7 on the power play. His average time on ice that year was 15:59, which is emphatically not ‘first-line minutes’. (Backlund and Stajan were both over 18 minutes that year.)

I got this information from a two-minute search at hockey-reference.com.