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Erick Estrada · 07-09-2021, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Mock Draft:
https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/artic...232761#slide_1

Gio gets selected.

Seems like a no-brainer to me as it would be foolish of the Kraken to pass on Gio as it would provide them with a lot of options as well as leadership. The only way it doesn't happen IMO is if the Flames make a deal with them which I hope doesn't happen.

Reggie Dunlop · 07-09-2021, 01:59 PM

Who does Seattle want if they promise to stay away from Giordano?

Pick or prospect?

A roster player?

Bonded · 07-09-2021, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Who does Seattle want if they promise to stay away from Giordano?

Pick or prospect?

A roster player?

Probably whatever they think they can get for him in a trade. Unless they the Flames a favour, I think Gio is as good as gone.

If I was a Preds fan and the Kraken took Duchene, I'd be happy.

FlamesAddiction · 07-09-2021, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Who does Seattle want if they promise to stay away from Giordano?

Pick or prospect?

A roster player?

There was a vague rumour that Seattle generally asking for a ransom from teams to protect players.

I say don't give them a dime. Francis could easily be looking at players that other teams don't want to lose as opposed to players that actually make more sense, just to see what he can get them to give up.

I don't recall any of the expansions prior to Vegas allowing this garbage. I didn't like it in 2017 and dislike it even more now.

Reggie Dunlop · 07-09-2021, 02:14 PM

They still may take Derek Ryan... although that's more wishful thinking than practicality.

Flames re-up Ryan and expose him, the Kraken claim him and Flames send them a third rounder?

Although a useful player, there's other Ryan-types to be had.

GhostCookie · 07-09-2021, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That would be a pretty decent defense group.

I am still not 100% convince they would take Gio. We will see I suppose.

The reason I think most of these mock drafts are going to be wrong is that the person doing them is either considering how to make a team out of whos likely left unprotected, or just what is good trade bait. Sprinkle in some wishful thinking (surely they will take my teams bad contract!)

The actual motivations for the Kraken are going to be different, and will likely be a hybrid of the two strategies, and will definitely take into account who they are helping.

They are not likely to help any division rivals with cap space or bad contracts unless the price is right. That's a huge part of how Vegas found success, not from what they took, but from what they got in return from taking someone else. They are also unlikely to make a cap space deal on any team that might try and poach a free agent they have their eyes on. What they will hope for is teams desperate to protect extra players giving them extra pieces. Bonus points if they weren't likely to take that player to begin with.

At the end of the day, I think we will see signings of free agents from teams they don't want to pull from, a few strategic pieces grabbed to use as trade bait with other teams either for the deadline or even right away, and mostly pieces that are geared towards the future. I think cap floor is probably the target with the draft, to have room to be wheeling and dealing through trades and free agents afterwards.

MegaErtz · 07-09-2021, 04:54 PM

Giordano is a great pickup for Seattle, he's in the last year of his contract, he carries a big cap hit, and even though he's well past his best, he can still contribute. Seattle picking him is a win-win, we'll have his cap hit off the books which will give us much more flexibility going forward.

Jay Random · 07-09-2021, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't recall any of the expansions prior to Vegas allowing this garbage.

That's because in all previous expansions, the new teams only had garbage to pick from. In 2000, teams could protect 9 F, 5 D, 1 G, with an option to do 7 F, 3 D, 2 G instead. Nobody is going to give up significant assets to lose their #11 F instead of #10, or #7 D instead of #6.

In 2000, San Jose made side deals with both Columbus and Minnesota not to take Evgeni Nabokov. That was worth their while, because they did not want to expose two extra forwards and two extra defencemen to protect a second goalie. The only other side deal was one Buffalo made with Columbus, also to protect an extra goalie.

Incidentally, both Atlanta and Nashville were exempt from the 2000 expansion draft.

Nothing happening in this expansion (counting Vegas and Seattle as a group) is unprecedented, except that the new teams are paying pots of money to have good players to pick from, instead of trying to make a gourmet meal out of ketchup packets and toaster leavings.

getbak · 07-09-2021, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Mock Draft:
https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/artic...232761#slide_1

Gio gets selected.

Interesting. He has them taking 11 defencemen and it looks like Stillman is the only one who wasn't a full-time NHLer this past season.

You'd have to think if Seattle does something similar to that, it would be with an eye towards flipping at least 4 of them to get some assets who can clear waivers in the fall.

That's why I'm also of the opinion that Seattle could still take Kylington. He has shown he can play in the NHL, but he would also likely clear waivers in October, which most of the d-men in that mock would not.

Poe969 · 07-09-2021, 08:10 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they end up taking Backlund. I know it's really not likely but that is my crazy idea. I think they most likely end up taking Ryan since he's from there...which doesn't make sense because he's a UFA and they could just wait and sign him on the first day but it could just be a publicity think like Vegas did...unless the Flames sign him and they take him. I don't see them taking Gio for some reason, maybe a side deal or something but I just see something unexpected happening.

The Cobra · 07-09-2021, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that they end up taking Backlund. I know it's really not likely but that is my crazy idea. I think they most likely end up taking Ryan since he's from there...which doesn't make sense because he's a UFA and they could just wait and sign him on the first day but it could just be a publicity think like Vegas did...unless the Flames sign him and they take him. I don't see them taking Gio for some reason, maybe a side deal or something but I just see something unexpected happening.

Who will the Flames protect instead of Backlund?

Vegas took Engelland because there was no one else they wanted.

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Scroopy Noopers · 07-09-2021, 08:23 PM

Leaving Backlund exposed would be a sure fire way to ensure they don’t take Gio.

Goriders · 07-09-2021, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Leaving Backlund exposed would be a sure fire way to ensure they don’t take Gio.

I think Backlund will be a useful player for longer than Gio will.

Gio really started to show his age this year.

Scroopy Noopers · 07-09-2021, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

I think Backlund will be a useful player for longer than Gio will.

Gio really started to show his age this year.

Oh I agree. I’m definitely pro Backlund on the Flames. Seattle would be all over him if given the chance.

Goriders · 07-09-2021, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Oh I agree. I’m definitely pro Backlund on the Flames. Seattle would be all over him if given the chance.

Backlund is very under rated. Not flashy, but he’s a very consistant player. I would try and keep him over the majority of the Flames roster.

I’d put Lindholm in that category as well.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-09-2021, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Goriders

Backlund is very under rated. Not flashy, but he’s a very consistant player. I would try and keep him over the majority of the Flames roster.

I’d put Lindholm in that category as well.

Plus the old farmer from Viking sure seemed to like him.
He's also highly thought of within the Flames org.
that's why you hear not even whispers of him not being a Flame. Except on here.

Reggie Dunlop · 07-09-2021, 08:43 PM

Giordano could have a bit of a bounce-back season, especially in a new environment. Maybe adds a few years to his career... who knows. But probably still the right time to part ways with the Flames.

Jiri Hrdina · 07-09-2021, 08:43 PM

As an aside, Backlund has played in the 7th most games as a Flame. If he stays a Flame this season he should pass Fleury, and Chopper to move into 4th all time - with Regehr within striking distance.

Could end up being third on the list. I know the team hasn't won much during his time - but no matter how you slice it - that's a helluva a player for this franchise that deserves recognition.

Goriders · 07-09-2021, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Giordano could have a bit of a bounce-back season, especially in a new environment. Maybe adds a few years to his career... who knows. But probably still the right time to part ways with the Flames.

Gio’s not going to get faster though. Age doesn’t help with speed from experience.

I agree though. Definitely not how you want to part ways with a captain. But it’s probably time.

Expansion drafts are not fair.

Finger Cookin · 07-10-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

As an aside, Backlund has played in the 7th most games as a Flame. If he stays a Flame this season he should pass Fleury, and Chopper to move into 4th all time - with Regehr within striking distance.

Could end up being third on the list. I know the team hasn't won much during his time - but no matter how you slice it - that's a helluva a player for this franchise that deserves recognition.

He'd have even more games as a Flame when you factor in all of those seasons lost to playing in the KHL.