Prenatal test developed with Chinese military stores genetic data of Canadian women.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

I don't know, the western coalition killed 200,000 (conservative #) Iraqi civilians on a fairy tale.
As for kidnapping, Guantanamo looks like it fits the bill in a lot of cases.
My point being, there seems to be a pile on China mentality and while I agree the are doing horrible things, they aren't the first or the last to gain classified info illegally.
To be outraged China is doing it and thinking the US, UK, or Canada aren't seemed biased.
Wasn't that the whole basis of Wikileaks and Snowden?
As far as our country following the rules and order based on law, do we? There are multiple threads on this forum claiming we don't, most involve the liberals, some don't.

This is whataboutism at its finest.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

This is whataboutism at its finest.

it would be if we werent the ones throwing up our pasty western hands and complaining about the Chinese, they aint complaining about us.

The Chinese are acting just like every other major power in history, like a bunch of ######'s, it's how the US acts, its how the Soviets acted, it's considerably nicer than my people, the Brits acted, this is what world leaders do, bend people over and do bad bad things to them, the Chinese are no worse or better but we are the ones tut tutting

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

it would be if we werent the ones throwing up our pasty western hands and complaining about the Chinese, they aint complaining about us.

The Chinese are acting just like every other major power in history, like a bunch of ######'s, it's how the US acts, its how the Soviets acted, it's considerably nicer than my people, the Brits acted, this is what world leaders do, bend people over and do bad bad things to them, the Chinese are no worse or better but we are the ones tut tutting

Uhhhhhh.

"We are deeply concerned about the serious human rights violations against the Indigenous people in Canada. Historically, Canada robbed the Indigenous people of the land, killed them and eradicated their culture," said Jiang Duan, a senior official at China's mission to the UN in Geneva.

"We call for a thorough and impartial investigation into all cases where crimes were committed against Indigenous people, especially the children,"

[Mull]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

it would be if we werent the ones throwing up our pasty western hands and complaining about the Chinese, they aint complaining about us.

The Chinese are acting just like every other major power in history, like a bunch of ######'s, it's how the US acts, its how the Soviets acted, it's considerably nicer than my people, the Brits acted, this is what world leaders do, bend people over and do bad bad things to them, the Chinese are no worse or better but we are the ones tut tutting

The Chinese are committing genocide now. Not years ago, now and its still occurring.

Past actions by nations, like the Canadian murders of First Nations Children should be respected, but to pretend actions which are occurring now and can be halted deserve the same attention as actions committed in the past by different leaders of our nations is insane to me.

To be silent when something horrible could still be stopped from impacting more people, only because we had built our nation on our own disgusting actions and we don't want those discussed, or some how feel our past doesn't allow us to call our actions occurring right now that could be halted is gross

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Mull

The Chinese are committing genocide now. Not years ago, now and its still occurring.

Past actions by nations, like the Canadian murders of First Nations Children should be respected, but to pretend actions which are occurring now and can be halted deserve the same attention as actions committed in the past by different leaders of our nations is insane to me.

To be silent when something horrible could still be stopped from impacting more people, only because we had built our nation on our own disgusting actions and we don't want those discussed, or some how feel our past doesn't allow us to call our actions occurring right now that could be halted is gross

I struggle to think of a time when there wasn't a genocidal situation in the world.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I struggle to think of a time when there wasn't a genocidal situation in the world.

Agreed, technically not genocides as the reasons for killing are different but large populations of civilians are being killed on a pretty constant basis historically.
Just depends what side of the conflict you are on and how you can justify it. Insurgents being killed in their own county always struck me as odd, yes the Taliban are horrific but did we kill more Taliban or civilians? Or did we just blur the line on requirements to be a terrorist?

[PeteMoss]

Bet FlamesAddiction regrets buying that TV now.

[jammies]

Back to the original issue - how would the Chinese military, even if they got this data, weaponize it? As someone alluded to, the real problem is that people are willing to sign away their privacy for convenience, and that any private data about you, once it leaves your control, can (and does) often go places you'd rather it didn't.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by jammies

Back to the original issue - how would the Chinese military, even if they got this data, weaponize it? As someone alluded to, the real problem is that people are willing to sign away their privacy for convenience, and that any private data about you, once it leaves your control, can (and does) often go places you'd rather it didn't.

Well I think its more about the Chinese gov't having detailed genetic makeup of these populations rather than being able to do anything nefarious with it right now. Who knows what they'll do with that insight (maybe nothing, but maybe something bad in the future), but at the end of the day, having that level of details of a population's makeup cannot be a good thing in the CCPs hands.

[GGG]

Do the privacy terms on US based systems have National Security clauses. I know there was apples refusal to put in a back door which suggests that for most things the US government does have acces to whatever they want.

I don’t want to whatabout this but instead understand it this is typical of all fine print or just china specific fine print.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by GGG

Do the privacy terms on US based systems have National Security clauses. I know there was apples refusal to put in a back door which suggests that for most things the US government does have acces to whatever they want.

I don’t want to whatabout this but instead understand it this is typical of all fine print or just china specific fine print.

Yeah, it's basically standard boilerplate. Here's 23andMe's:

For example, we may be required to disclose Personal Information in coordination with regulatory authorities in response to lawful requests by public authorities, including to meet national security or law enforcement requirements.

https://www.23andme.com/en-ca/about/privacy/


Theoretically that's limited by the US legal system, but as we saw with the NSA leaks that's usually far from transparent. And even ignoring that kind of under the radar stuff, there are ways that the government and law enforcement can leverage that info. Crime investigators can upload DNA samples from crime scenes and create fake profiles on ancestry sites in a fishing expedition hoping to find relatives of potential persons of interest to guide their investigations. That's how they caught the Golden State Killer. They uploaded his DNA from a crime scene, found 10-20 distant relatives, constructed a family tree based on that to figure out who to target, and then surveilled him to get DNA samples from discarded items to see if it matched what they had.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by jammies

Back to the original issue - how would the Chinese military, even if they got this data, weaponize it? As someone alluded to, the real problem is that people are willing to sign away their privacy for convenience, and that any private data about you, once it leaves your control, can (and does) often go places you'd rather it didn't.

I know someone that is total conspiracy theory about this. He said that China can use the genetic data to create viruses and diseases that target certain genetic codes not present in China but present more so in western countries, either to wipe us out or make a profit by creating the diseases and the cures.

I am not promoting this as something they actually could do, or would do. It's just what some of the wing nuts think.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Agreed, technically not genocides as the reasons for killing are different but large populations of civilians are being killed on a pretty constant basis historically.
Just depends what side of the conflict you are on and how you can justify it. Insurgents being killed in their own county always struck me as odd, yes the Taliban are horrific but did we kill more Taliban or civilians? Or did we just blur the line on requirements to be a terrorist?

Were the Croats justified in their genocide against the Serbs in retaliation for the genocide committed by the Serbs.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I know someone that is total conspiracy theory about this. He said that China can use the genetic data to create viruses and diseases that target certain genetic codes not present in China but present more so in western countries, either to wipe us out or make a profit by creating the diseases and the cures.

I am not promoting this as something they actually could do, or would do. It's just what some of the wing nuts think.

I certainly wouldn't put anything past the China government.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I know someone that is total conspiracy theory about this. He said that China can use the genetic data to create viruses and diseases that target certain genetic codes not present in China but present more so in western countries, either to wipe us out or make a profit by creating the diseases and the cures.

I am not promoting this as something they actually could do, or would do. It's just what some of the wing nuts think.

That was the horrifying story in Wing Commander IV, where the villain wanted to prepare humanity for the next generation of war and wanted to force evolve humanity. So they created a virus that would attack people that were fat or had genetic imperfections and kill them all, leaving only the best of the gene pool.


It was a great storyline.


I think its more likely that the Chinese are going to clone all of us 1%'ers and replace us with them so they can enslave the general population.