2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Nelson

https://cardiaccane.com/2021/07/03/c...an-make-sense/

Sure. This article is just a perspective from the other side.

Biggest takeaway from the article is that Monahan is the one on the move. Not Johnny. Not chucky. Granted it’s Dreger saying that but with the tight ship that Treliving runs, hard to get info.

Maybe Carolina is the only team showing any degree of interest in Mony. Not a huge fan of the speculated return but the market is the market. It does open up cap space and if it is used properly, might be able to parlay that into additional improvements to the roster.

[1qqaaz]

Unlike LA, I don't think Carolina would be afraid of trading away a 1st if they wanted to.
It would likely be a late first.
This is a team that has picked about 20 players in the last two drafts. Their prospect system is good enough.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Nelson

https://cardiaccane.com/2021/07/03/c...an-make-sense/

Sure. This article is just a perspective from the other side.

Oh suuuuurrreee, throw some of that good old "Drury" salt over on the Flames. This would work out fiiiinnne.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

With all the Monahan talk, I was wondering in a trade of Monahan for Jonathan Toews who says no? Aside from Toews himself(I remember that he has a NMC)?
Is it too risky of a shakeup? would CHI need to retain salary? am I not giving Monahan enough value?

Toews says no, so leave it at that.


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[AT77]

Have we traded for Eichel yet?

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If this is the return you may as well hang on to him. This decimates our C depth if nothing of consequence is coming back. Won’t happen as long as Sutter is here. If he is moved need another top 6 coming back, not a package of magic beans.

I agree, no point moving him now with his value being so low. That's why I don't really understand where all the talk is coming from.

[getoverit]

I think that’s not enough let alone we need more then that for a good shake up and really doesn’t help us now

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Saqe

I agree, no point moving him now with his value being so low. That's why I don't really understand where all the talk is coming from.

It seems to be coming from the same place as the occasional talk about exposing Monahan (or Backlund) in the expansion draft just to get rid of them. Some fans are so frustrated they aren't even thinking.

The sentiment is very often expressed that the team is so bad now that it can't possibly get any worse. That usually goes along with a harebrained suggestion to trade major assets for pennies on the dollar.

Sometimes I almost wish the Flames would do what those people want, and let them see just how very much worse things actually can get. I myself don't need to be shown; I remember the Leafs when Harold Ballard was in charge.

[Dajazz]

Monahan playing injured, in a ####ty season while having terrible puck luck.

Let’s trade at all time low.

Just let him rebound, I think he’ll surprise his doubters next season.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Why on earth would the Flames trade Monahan if that's all they can get in return? Lol

Of course there are numbskulls on here who I've seen claim the Flames should expose him to Seattle and then "hope he gets taken" rofl

Because Monahan brings nothing to the table when he isn’t scoring goals, so if the Flames don’t see him sticking on the top two lines, he might be worth less to them than a 2nd and a 3rd.

Hanging on to a declining asset out of stubbornness or some emotional attachment to what you feel he’s worth is the kind of gesture a fan makes. I sure hope management are more clinical and clear-headed in how they approach this off-season.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Monahan playing injured, in a ####ty season while having terrible puck luck.

Let’s trade at all time low.

Just let him rebound, I think he’ll surprise his doubters next season.

Let's just apply this mentality across the board then. Surely the team is primed to rebound back to career highs and no changes are needed.

It's worked so well in the past.

[Bonded]

Since the Flames will not rebuild, if they trade Monahan it has to be in a hockey trade for another player with question marks (ie Taransenko, Kuznetznov, Anderson), not for a 2nd or 3rd.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Let's just apply this mentality across the board then. Surely the team is primed to rebound back to career highs and no changes are needed.

It's worked so well in the past.

Better yet, let's apply your mentality across the board. Trade everybody for peanuts, because nobody on the team is any good and they can only get even worse. Find out that peanuts can't actually play NHL hockey, and repeat the procedure when the team is even worse next year.

Continue until all you have left is a paper clip.

[Roof-Daddy]

There was a 26 year old C who was a malcontent and had requested a trade, he finally got it. He was a former high draft pick with pedigree and at the time of his trade he had a career points per game of 0.73 in 500+ games.

Monahan is also 26 years old, a C and a former high draft pick with pedigree and despite a poor recent season still has a career points per game of 0.74

That first C I mentioned returned...

- a protected 1st
- a 2nd
- a 3rd
- a 17 year old prospect taken 28th OA just months earlier
- a 19 year old prospect taken 47th OA a year and a half earlier and who is now a top 4 dman
- a 20 year old prospect who was taken 42nd OA two and half years earlier

And the Flames are supposed to give Monahan away for a 2nd and 3rd because he had a bad season while playing injured?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

There was a 26 year old C who was a malcontent and had requested a trade, he finally got it. He was a former high draft pick with pedigree and at the time of his trade he had a career points per game of 0.73 in 500+ games.

Monahan is also 26 years old, a C and a former high draft pick with pedigree and despite a poor recent season still has a career points per game of 0.74

That first C I mentioned returned...

- a protected 1st
- a 2nd
- a 3rd
- a 17 year old prospect taken 28th OA just months earlier
- a 19 year old prospect taken 47th OA a year and a half earlier and who is now a top 4 dman
- a 20 year old prospect who was taken 42nd OA two and half years earlier

And the Flames are supposed to give Monahan away for a 2nd and 3rd because he had a bad season while playing injured?

I think the Duchene trade hurt Ottawa quite a bit, and not too many teams are eager to repeat it. Also I don’t remember if he had as many question marks around him at the time, nor do I remember a large regression in his play before the trade.

PS: I get the point you’re trying to make though, but you’re definitely cherry picking.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I think the Duchene trade hurt Ottawa quite a bit, and not too many teams are eager to repeat it. Also I don’t remember if he had as many question marks around him at the time, nor do I remember a large regression in his play before the trade.

PS: I get the point you’re trying to make though, but you’re definitely cherry picking.

Not many prime aged C's with that kind of offensive production get traded, it's pretty hard not to cherry pick.

[Roof-Daddy]

There is also miles and miles in between the Duchene return and the crap people are proposing as a return for Monahan.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

There is also miles and miles in between the Duchene return and the crap people are proposing as a return for Monahan.

I mostly agree with you. However, I am sure that any GM would be wary of paying a premium for Monahan after last season. Why?

1. He looked like a 30 goal scorer that lost his shot
2. He had multiple injuries and his durability is in question
3. Gaudreau's success away from Monahan this season
4. He won’t wow you defensively.
5. 5 on 5 he had the same team GF/60 with him on the ice as did Nordstrom this season. Which means he was very ineffective at generating offence 5 on 5, at least this season.

[mile]

I'm someone who would move Monahan if the right deal came along but a 2nd and 3rd isn't anywhere close to that. Even if we were rebuilding and going scorched earth, you pass on that deal unless you think he is truly damaged. Look at his past seasons and history and it's better to take the odds that he'll improve his point totals and his trade value. Maybe he'll never touch career totals again but a 50-60 point Monahan is still worth more than a 2nd+3rd. He's 26, some of you make it sound like he's 36 and on his way out.

Keeping him wouldn't be out of emotional attachment, it's not unreasonable to think Monahan will produce at a higher clip next season. Even with him at his worst this season and playing injured, he was still producing at a 45-point pace over a full season. Only time he has produced at a smaller clip is his rookie season. Even if you think he's useless at every other aspect of the game other than scoring goals, points are what primarily determine trade value, like it or not.

[nik-]

Monahan playing bad while injured is a reoccurring theme.