2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I haven’t used the term ‘failure’. You measure success by the performance of the team on the ice IMO, not the individual deals that did or didn’t happen.

Several other posters have used the term ‘failure’, and judge Treliving to have failed any time he does not acquire a player that they think might improve the team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I haven’t used the term ‘failure’. You measure success by the performance of the team on the ice IMO, not the individual deals that did or didn’t happen.

This is fair. But you know as well as I do that posters use the “in on it” stuff as a jab.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

This is fair. But you know as well as I do that posters use the “in on it” stuff as a jab.

True. Isn’t that partly because it’s been the Oilers shtick for a while? It was fair game to mock them for it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

True. Isn’t that partly because it’s been the Oilers shtick for a while? It was fair game to mock them for it.

I’ve never heard that one. I’ve mocked them for thinking they were in the mix on things, when they obviously weren’t.

[stemit14]

With Fillip Forsberg publicly expressing frustration with his team losing Arvidsson, and with him being a year away from free agency, I wonder if he becomes a realistic trade target this offseason?

Shoots right but is listed as a left wing. Could be a good fit if he plays right wing. Would need to move salary to make him fit but not if gio is claimed. He’s a Swede that would likely fit well on this team. No clue as to what it would cost though.

Is the 12th overall pick this year too much for a guy who is unsigned past this season? Or is it considered too little because it’s magic beans in an unknown draft for an established first line player? I really don’t know. Would obviously have to happen after the expansion draft and would probably hinge on who is available at 12 to know if the flames/preds are still interested.

I suppose the obvious comparison is Gaudreau… would we trade Gaudreau straight up for 11th overall in this draft? Can’t say I would be too happy about it but I’m a big Gaudreau fan. So maybe forsberg would cost more than 12th overall. Maybe a lot more. I don’t really know these days.


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[Azhouse]

I’d rather take the player at 12. They have to quit gutting young talent.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

I’d rather take the player at 12. They have to quit gutting young talent.

I can see this argument as well. In fact, forsberg himself is a lesson in this. Hard to believe Washington traded him as a brand new prospect that was drafted 11th overall for a half-season of the already diminishing Martin Erat. I believe forsberg ended up being the best forward to come out of that 2012 draft unless I’m forgetting someone.

I guess there are a few other cautions that you’d have to consider with forsberg. Will he re-sign with the team and what kind of pay raise will it be? Has he already played his best seasons? (I kind of suspect he has). Are you paying (both in trade assets/picks and in dollars if re-signed) for what he has done rather than what he will continue to do?

I might be talking myself out of acquiring him but I would not be surprised if the flames did pull off a trade for him. He fits a lot of what they are looking for and management/coaching are here to win now. Plus he would be an alternate target at forward if eichel is not realistic.


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[Darkknight]

PNot sure if the Predators would have any interest in this, but with Forsberg clearly being dissatisfied with the recent moves I would consider him likely available.

Calgary receives
Forsberg
18 oa 2021

Nashville receives
Tkachuk
77 oa 2021

Flames may need to add something else minor but I think the value is there for both teams.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Darkknight

PNot sure if the Predators would have any interest in this, but with Forsberg clearly being dissatisfied with the recent moves I would consider him likely available.

Calgary receives
Forsberg
18 oa 2021

Nashville receives
Tkachuk
77 oa 2021

Flames may need to add something else minor but I think the value is there for both teams.

Horrible for Calgary

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Horrible for Calgary

Mega horrible.

Forsberg is about to turn 27 and has a career high of 64 points, and a career PPG of .77

Tkachuk is 23 years old and has a career high of 77 points , and a career PPG of .80

There’s just no reason to trade to the better, younger player.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It’s Jack Eichel.

Montreal is showing us exactly what happens when you ride goaltending and defense for four rounds.

If we don’t have at least an Eichel or two in our lineup, we will face someone like Tampa who has four or five of them.

Two Cinderellas never face each other, and Cinderellas never win.

So if all it takes is one extra asset or prospect from the system, pay the cost and find a way to replace a couple late 1sts with some shrewd scouting and European signings.

You especially overpay if you still have Monahan to trade away to recoup some capital.

Acquiring Eichel without giving up Gaudreau, Monahan, Lindholm, Mangiapane, Backlund, or a single piece of our analytically-stellar blue line is hardly setting us back

Montreal is irrelevant. Not trading for Eichel does not mean we are trying to be a Cinderella - false equivalency.

Everyone agrees that we need a true #1C. But Eichel might be the most over-rated player in the NHL right now. There are SERIOUS risks with acquiring him. I am all for acquiring him at the right price, but the Flames have a very skinny prospect pool right now, and your offer includes a stud 23 year old, a really good 22 year old, our top prospect, and the pick that will be our top prospect the moment it is made.

Yes, that trade would in fact set us back. If we did this, our best forwards, under the age of 25 would be Pelletier and Ruzicka (once Eichel turns 25 in October). We would literally have no forwards under 25 on the roster, with only Pelletier as a legit prospect.

And we would be in cap hell.

[Darkknight]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Horrible for Calgary

I feel like there is potential for more discussion here. If Tkachuk does in fact want out, and even if he doesn't his 9 million dollar QA makes him a borderline trade necessity. I'm not sure about yourself, but the player I saw this past year wasn't worth the 7 we're paying him now, let alone a 30% raise. It balances out the handedness of our top 6 a bit better, even if he is listed as a LW.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Darkknight

PNot sure if the Predators would have any interest in this, but with Forsberg clearly being dissatisfied with the recent moves I would consider him likely available.

Calgary receives
Forsberg
18 oa 2021

Nashville receives
Tkachuk
77 oa 2021

Flames may need to add something else minor but I think the value is there for both teams.

If you are trading Tkachuk it better be for a center or top pairing dman. Trading Tkachuk for an older lw is the last trade they should be doing.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Mega horrible.

Forsberg is about to turn 27 and has a career high of 64 points, and a career PPG of .77

Tkachuk is 23 years old and has a career high of 77 points , and a career PPG of .80

There’s just no reason to trade to the better, younger player.

What are the ppgs in the playoffs? I don’t think it’s that bad but it’s probably not enough. Forsberg is still young and almost as good. Probably could be resigned for less than $9 mil too. Probably quite a bit less than $9 mil

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Darkknight

PNot sure if the Predators would have any interest in this, but with Forsberg clearly being dissatisfied with the recent moves I would consider him likely available.

Calgary receives
Forsberg
18 oa 2021

Nashville receives
Tkachuk
77 oa 2021

Flames may need to add something else minor but I think the value is there for both teams.

I don't think this is that horrible for Calgary. Poor? Sure.

1 year of Forsberg + a mid-first round pick for 2 years of Tkachuk plus a third round pick.

With such a prominent Swedish culture on the Flames team, I could see Forsberg re-signing. I think Forsberg would excel on Calgary, and give a boost for the playoffs.

But overall, the value isn't quite where it should be. Nashville would have to add. And this trade doesn't make a ton of sense for Nashville, because they need to manage their cap wisely. I'm not sure it's in their best interest to give Tkachuk 9 mill next year. And if Nashville is retooling, they probably want picks more than they want to trade them away.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Darkknight

I feel like there is potential for more discussion here. If Tkachuk does in fact want out, and even if he doesn't his 9 million dollar QA makes him a borderline trade necessity. I'm not sure about yourself, but the player I saw this past year wasn't worth the 7 we're paying him now, let alone a 30% raise. It balances out the handedness of our top 6 a bit better, even if he is listed as a LW.

Forsberg has one year left on his deal, then he enters the UFA years where you will need to give him the term and AAV you won’t like.

He simply can’t be the target in a trade involving Tkachuk.


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[Poe969]

Yikes! People want to give up young players, prospects and picks for a guy who's only under contract for 1 more year and a guy with major neck issues. Do you honestly think this team is 1 or even 2 pieces away? And the thing about Eichel is that he may never be the same again, and to be honest it's not like he was setting the world on fire to begin with.

The answers are not in the room. Don't try to take shortcuts anymore.

[NewFan]

I still think we need full rebuild. Sell all players next 2 years and collect prospects and draft picks.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I still think we need full rebuild. Sell all players next 2 years and collect prospects and draft picks.

Totally, but this is the Flames. Just not their style. I don't think this franchise has ever gone full rebuild. There is a reason why we've only ever had one top 5 pick and no picks in the top 3. I am not sure how many other clubs can say that, if any.

They went all in with Sutter and Treliving is fighting for his job now. We can look forward to some ridiculous future mortgages I think.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Mega horrible.

Forsberg is about to turn 27 and has a career high of 64 points, and a career PPG of .77

Tkachuk is 23 years old and has a career high of 77 points , and a career PPG of .80

There’s just no reason to trade to the better, younger player.

There are actually plenty of reasons. Nine million of them jump out right off the bat. Tkachuk's ego writing checks his talent doesn't seem able to cash is another. Let's not think for a second that Tkachuk is not a player the Flames could easily move to improve the team, and allow someone else to assume the risk. Frankly, if you can get a signed Forsberg at a reasonable price, and another player along with a pick or prospect, for Tkachuk and another asset, you jump all over it. Way too much risk with a player who essentially quit on his team this past season.

Originally Posted by NewFan

I still think we need full rebuild. Sell all players next 2 years and collect prospects and draft picks.

Not going to happen. Not after just hiring Sutter to a three year deal and there being another two years on that contract. If there is movement related to this contract, it will be Treliving sucking on the tailpipe, not Sutter. We're stuck in try and be competitive mode because of this signing. A rebuild is not a remote possibility for another two years.