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Old 06-25-2021, 03:00 PM   #1
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Horrific. I saw a pic of bunk beds about a foot from the edge where the collapse occurred. I can’t even imagine.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/mia...-21/index.html


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The number of people listed as missing after the collapse of a 12-storey building in the US city of Miami has risen to 159, officials say.

Four people are known to have died.

The mayor of Miami-Dade says they "still have hope" of finding survivors. Search teams working around the clock have reported hearing people banging beneath the debris.

What caused the 40-year-old building to collapse early on Thursday morning remains unclear.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57606232




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Old 06-25-2021, 03:06 PM   #2
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Here’s the bunk beds picture. Crazy ####. I hope those kids survived.

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Worst time of day for that to happen, when most people are home?
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A video I watched earlier mentioned that the building was just about to undergo a Structural integrity assessment as once a building is 40 years old they have to check it. I'm hoping the first check isn't after 40 years and I'm curious to know when the last time they did an assessment.
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Wow. From what I initially saw, I though it was like half of the units turn open. Reality is much worse.
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Absolutely terrible. That death toll is gonna be big. Very sad.
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CCTV footage of the collapse from adjacent building. Looks like center went down first.

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This may have to do with rising sea levels and water level changes causing underground erosion and differential settling leading to the collapse. Prior study from the 90s had this building and many others in Miami sinking at several mm/year and accelerating.
http://usa-newsposts.com/2021/06/24/...alarming-rate/

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I'm guessing this will result in a lot of buildings being inspected, and a lot of them being declared unsafe. That is a lot of people that are going to be displaced all at once.
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This may have to do with rising sea levels and water level changes causing underground erosion and differential settling leading to the collapse. Prior study from the 90s had this building and many others in Miami sinking at several mm/year and accelerating.
My worry - the pending direct and indirect consequences of Climate Change might make the Covid-19 pandemic seem like a walk in the park.
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Weird. I just watched a video about building collapse disasters then saw this.

That's horrifying.

The worst building collapse in U.S. history (aside from the WTC) was a walkway collapse in Kansas City where 149 people were killed.

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My worry - the pending direct and indirect consequences of Climate Change might make the Covid-19 pandemic seem like a walk in the park.
OT. but the forecast in the GVRD-inland is calling for a high of 44C this week (humidity not factored in). That would beat the previous record by 10C. I think there are going to be a few deaths from it. People here just aren't used to that and have a low tolerance to extreme weather changes.
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Weird. I just watched a video about building collapse disasters then saw this.

That's horrifying.

The worst building collapse in U.S. history (aside from the WTC) was a walkway collapse in Kansas City where 149 people were killed.



OT. but the forecast in the GVRD-inland is calling for a high of 44C this week (humidity not factored in). That would beat the previous record by 10C. I think there are going to be a few deaths from it. People here just aren't used to that and have a low tolerance to extreme weather changes.


Coincidentally I just watched this video explaining the walkway collapse two days ago.



I love living in a condo but I wouldn't do it if I wasn't on the board making sure we kept up on building maintenance that prevents this kind of thing.
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A video I watched earlier mentioned that the building was just about to undergo a Structural integrity assessment as once a building is 40 years old they have to check it. I'm hoping the first check isn't after 40 years and I'm curious to know when the last time they did an assessment.
That was just completed and a copy of the report is with the government. The engineer that did the inspection is assisting with the investigation. I'm really curious what this report has to say.
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Coincidentally I just watched this video explaining the walkway collapse two days ago.



I love living in a condo but I wouldn't do it if I wasn't on the board making sure we kept up on building maintenance that prevents this kind of thing.
I remember my old physics teacher at high school explaining how the history of civil engineering is basically just a process of learning through disaster, that Bridge design in particular is just a succesion of envelope pushing designs, higher longer bridges followed by grim failures and death followed by better designs
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Tacoma narrows bridge. another good example.
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That's horrific, it's so shocking when something like this happens. Hoping for as many survivors as possible.
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If anyone is interested you can see the public records for the building. Including a structural report done in 2018 and an extensive drawing package related to the 40 year inspection going on.

https://townofsurfsidefl.gov/departm...ords-documents

They were attempting to remediate some structural problems in a couple columns in the parking garage. I wonder if that work had already started, if it had it seems likely whoever was working on this building has a decent idea what happened.
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CCTV footage of the collapse from adjacent building. Looks like center went down first.

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This may have to do with rising sea levels and water level changes causing underground erosion and differential settling leading to the collapse. Prior study from the 90s had this building and many others in Miami sinking at several mm/year and accelerating.
http://usa-newsposts.com/2021/06/24/...alarming-rate/
That video is awful... the far side stayed standing for several seconds after the middle collapsed. Surely some people where in that part and had time to comprehend what was happening.

I saw the story on Twitter yesterday and it said one confirmed dead and I thought that was great news to be only one. Now I see that "confirmed" is the key word - that number is going to be much higher by the end of this.

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Any word on survivors getting found in the rubble? I really hope some made it, but that's one of the flatest rubble piles I've seen.
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My worry - the pending direct and indirect consequences of Climate Change might make the Covid-19 pandemic seem like a walk in the park.
We need to hold off on the climate change alarmism. Many in the press are running to pin this on climate change with zero evidence.

Like this: https://slate.com/business/2021/06/m...te-change.html

Basically a who cares on cause its def climate change!!!!1!! article

Now the next day reports are coming out that the building was built poorly and maintained poorly.

Like this: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...al-damage.html

Which is a far more likely answer than climate change.

While not saying climate change will never be an issue, I really think we need to stop the assumptions. Its something the media likes to panic us all with.
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