05-13-2021, 10:52 AM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
George Parros
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05-13-2021, 11:08 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonBlue
I don't think the USA has a statute of limitations for sexual assault, but it likely goes on a state by state basis.
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You are thinking about a statute of limitations in a criminal case.
There would be a statute of limitations in a civil suit. That's why they are claiming he repressed his memory, and only now has considered the consequences of what took place. Presumably to reset the limitation period clock.
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05-13-2021, 11:10 AM
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#23
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GordonBlue
Wonder what sanctions the league could take against the team if it's all true and the team ignored and dismissed the claim of the player.
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I would make Seabrook suit up for them for the full length of his contract. That'll teach them.
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05-13-2021, 11:56 AM
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#24
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Franchise Player
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Akim Aliu and Bill Peters situation was around the same too (2009-10). Same organization too. Different form of abuse, but still, probably not a coincidence (that both appeared to be ignored/not given importance to).
Last edited by agulati; 05-13-2021 at 12:03 PM.
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05-13-2021, 12:25 PM
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#25
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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For the record:
Illinois eliminates statute of limitations on major sex crimes
https://www.chicagotribune.com/polit...lby-story.html
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05-13-2021, 12:32 PM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by AC
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This lawsuit isn't for a sexual assault crime though. If John Doe wanted to go after Brad Aldrich, he could go to the police station and start that process (if he hasn't). But this is pretty much a civil lawsuit for the mishandling of a situation by a company.
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05-13-2021, 12:38 PM
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#27
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Obligatory "not a lawyer"...
At least in Ontario (and assuming other provinces), my understanding is that there is some flexibility on statutes of limitation in civil cases. For example, if you didn't realize that you were financially impacted by something at the time, but evidence comes out later, you can still have grounds to file a suit.
If in this case, the person suffered mental wellness issues that impacted their career, and perhaps it took years of therapy to establish these events as the root cause, maybe that makes the exact time the events occurred a moot point?
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05-13-2021, 01:58 PM
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#28
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Obligatory "not a lawyer"...
At least in Ontario (and assuming other provinces), my understanding is that there is some flexibility on statutes of limitation in civil cases. For example, if you didn't realize that you were financially impacted by something at the time, but evidence comes out later, you can still have grounds to file a suit.
If in this case, the person suffered mental wellness issues that impacted their career, and perhaps it took years of therapy to establish these events as the root cause, maybe that makes the exact time the events occurred a moot point?
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That is largely correct. If, for example, you were defamed in a newspaper article, the limitation period would begin when you heard about the article, not when it was published. Even if it was 3 years later.
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05-14-2021, 07:18 AM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Boggles my mind that a coach could have that much power over an adult.
I wonder if this player was abused before this. Will be interesting to see this play out.
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06-17-2021, 12:50 PM
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Bump : it gets worse.
https://twitter.com/user/status/1405565282375065603
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"That plaintiff, known in court records as “John Doe (2),” alleged that the Blackhawks provided Aldrich with a positive reference letter when he left the NHL team. That alleged letter, the victim said, gave Aldrich the opportunity to assault him."
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Bowman needs to resign I think.
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06-17-2021, 01:07 PM
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#31
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knut
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What I don't get is the motive. Why the hell would you entertain protecting a ####ing video coach if there were reports of this level of disgustingness. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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06-17-2021, 01:51 PM
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#32
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Lifetime Suspension
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Damn.. you don't like to see a dynasty tarnished like that.
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06-17-2021, 02:10 PM
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#33
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knut
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if proven true, I really hope he gets held to account by the law. Him and especially the team sports psychologist James Gary.
see how it plays out, but right now I believe it to be true.
especially as the video guy was convicted of a sex crime of the same type.
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06-17-2021, 02:14 PM
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#34
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ottawa
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Brutal. Bowman, MacIssac, Gary should all be fired by the end of the week.
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06-17-2021, 02:20 PM
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#35
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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Awful. Just awful. Bowman is done
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06-17-2021, 02:28 PM
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#36
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahammer
What I don't get is the motive. Why the hell would you entertain protecting a ####ing video coach if there were reports of this level of disgustingness. It makes no sense whatsoever.
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It dosen't matter what level the employee is in a multi million cooperation like this that largely relies on marketing and branding as sole income. By that I mean it's a corporation that makes money on brand loyalty only. You don't actually get a product you buy from them you get to keep in a physical form one way or another. They don't actually make products or own a factory etc. . They literally only make money from licensing their name out . This allegedly took place while the team was one of the best teams at the time and start of a modern dynasty.
They had every reason in there minds to protect anything from coming out at the time. Those were probably very lucrative years for them. Bandwagon, new fans money etc... The are a cooperation at the end of the day and if that kind of money is at stake you'll never be able to trust any business to do the right thing...
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06-17-2021, 05:48 PM
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#37
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by liamenator
Brutal. Bowman, MacIssac, Gary should all be fired by the end of the week.
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I think it would be wise to wait for these allegations to be actually proven in court.
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06-17-2021, 05:58 PM
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#38
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That Crazy Guy at the Bus Stop
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Springfield Penitentiary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by liamenator
Brutal. Bowman, MacIssac, Gary should all be fired by the end of the week.
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Due to the liability to the organization, I bet this follows similar path to Flames and Peters. Hawks will quietly clean house. They won’t want to do anything that could result in more litigation.
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06-17-2021, 06:08 PM
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#39
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger
Due to the liability to the organization, I bet this follows similar path to Flames and Peters. Hawks will quietly clean house. They won’t want to do anything that could result in more litigation.
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If the charges are true, the organization will remain liable no matter how many people they fire. If the charges are false, the organization will be liable for wrongful dismissal if they do fire people on that basis.
I don't see what they have to gain by firing people at this point. The most they'll accomplish is to feed the hunger of the Twitter mob, for whom no act of self-abasement is ever enough.
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06-17-2021, 06:10 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
I think it would be wise to wait for these allegations to be actually proven in court.
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This isn't a criminal case, not even the lawsuit would need to be "proven" if it gets that far, just 51%. The Hawks are arguing against it being heard because of the statue of limitation though, so maybe it doesn't get to court.
But we have the coach actually being found guilty of rape of a 17 year old. We have one player who said he was raped and filed a lawsuit. This has been corroborated by another player who was also raped. So at least three rape victims.
Then you have a person who contacted TSN and an independent unidentified witness corroborating the story with the plaintiff's lawyer (and these are very possibly the same person).
On top of that you have Paul Vincent who seems to be the only coaching/management with the Hawks who wasn't completely despicable. If he isn't the person talking to TSN, I think all you would need to do is ask him if that's what happened to get enough "proof" to can those ######s involved.
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