2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Oh, and here I thought it was an official Buffalo Sabres press release.

Of course it is just a writer's opinion, that is what their job is. It's still interesting to read the opinion of someone tuned in to the Sabres.

all good man, just letting you know the list was alphabetical is all opposed to the Flames being second on the list of top 5 potential suitors.

And yes, it is interesting seeing the perspective of writers from other markets.

[GioforPM]

If I'm trading for Eichel not only am I not reluctant to send Tkachuk the other way, it's close to a necessity, cap-wise. And if Buffalo is looking for the best current roster player, none of the other teams listed can realistically match him. The next best player is Dumba. Kakko is, I suppose, a hybrid prospect/player in that he certainly hasn't peaked yet, but neither has Tkachuk in all probability.

But elite C versus really good winger? I do it. Even with the operation concern.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by blankall

Have Eichel and Gaudreau ever played on the same team? Obviously, I mean either before turning pro or in international tournaments.

Eichel and Gaudreau were on Team North America together.

Gaudreau looked better with MacKinnon.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'm playing the odds based on when most players have their peak years and the fact that the type of injury he has is commonly a career changer. We wouldn't be paying for what Eichel has done, but what he will do.

Two goals in 21 game this year is potentially a huge warning sign. He went from a 44 goal pace last year to an 8 goal pace (over 82 games). That has to be a huge concern for future projections.

I agree with this and those who are saying it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to give up the players you want to play with Eichel, FOR Eichel and just recreate Buffalo for him.

Also I see the sentiment "what do we have to lose" "if it backfires we rebuild" well you're out Tkachuk, your first, and whatever other assets are part of the trade that could have been used for that rebuild.

I am all for going all in on a trade in the right situation - a situation like the Mark Stone trade. This one has risks and red flags. I would want to know why it seems like Buffalo wants to move on, according to Elliotte? And more clarity on this injury.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by saillias

I agree with this and those who are saying it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to give up the players you want to play with Eichel, FOR Eichel and just recreate Buffalo for him.

Also I see the sentiment "what do we have to lose" "if it backfires we rebuild" well you're out Tkachuk, your first, and whatever other assets are part of the trade that could have been used for that rebuild.

I am all for going all in on a trade in the right situation - a situation like the Mark Stone trade. This one has risks and red flags. I would want to know why it seems like Buffalo wants to move on, according to Elliotte? And more clarity on this injury.

Buffalo wants to move on because he costs $10M and they're cheap, plus he's publicly unhappy.

I don't see this trade as having more red flags than the Stone deal. At least you know you get to keep the player.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If I'm trading for Eichel not only am I not reluctant to send Tkachuk the other way, it's close to a necessity, cap-wise. And if Buffalo is looking for the best current roster player, none of the other teams listed can realistically match him. The next best player is Dumba. Kakko is, I suppose, a hybrid prospect/player in that he certainly hasn't peaked yet, but neither has Tkachuk in all probability.

But elite C versus really good winger? I do it. Even with the operation concern.

my reading of the tea leaves is that Treliving is going to be aggressive this offseason and Eichel fits the bill as far as Calgary's needs go more than any player rumoured to be available. I think the Flames have the pieces to get it done, but it also takes Buffalo agreeing to it. A lot of this is out of the hands of the Flames. I would be disappointed if it didn't happen, but I also don't think Treliving should just drop a blank cheque off at Adams desk.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by saillias

I agree with this and those who are saying it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to give up the players you want to play with Eichel, FOR Eichel and just recreate Buffalo for him.

Also I see the sentiment "what do we have to lose" "if it backfires we rebuild" well you're out Tkachuk, your first, and whatever other assets are part of the trade that could have been used for that rebuild.

I am all for going all in on a trade in the right situation - a situation like the Mark Stone trade. This one has risks and red flags. I would want to know why it seems like Buffalo wants to move on, according to Elliotte? And more clarity on this injury.

Buffalo doesn’t want to move on.

Eichel is done with them.

You would be too.

This surgery isn’t a risk to Eichel’s long term career - nobody seems to be giving that indication. But it is a moment in the young man’s life when he realizes how breakable he is, and he must ask himself whether or not being broken for the Pegulas is what he wants.

The answer is clearly ‘no’.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by TOfan

my reading of the tea leaves is that Treliving is going to be aggressive this offseason and Eichel fits the bill as far as Calgary's needs go more than any player rumoured to be available. I think the Flames have the pieces to get it done, but it also takes Buffalo agreeing to it. A lot of this is out of the hands of the Flames. I would be disappointed if it didn't happen, but I also don't think Treliving should just drop a blank cheque off at Adams desk.

I think we should guard against being disappointed if the Flames don't acquire Jack Eichel. Though I'm advocating for it I think the actual chance of it happening are less than 10 percent.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think we should guard against being disappointed if the Flames don't acquire Jack Eichel. Though I'm advocating for it I think the actual chance of it happening are less than 10 percent.

True, and there is also the injury. I think Friedman said this week that there are teams who agree with the Sabres that they would want Eichel to rehab the injury. The Flames may be one of those teams.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think we should guard against being disappointed if the Flames don't acquire Jack Eichel. Though I'm advocating for it I think the actual chance of it happening are less than 10 percent.

I’m in line to ride the emotional rollercoaster that is known as the Calgary Flames off-season.

I’m dreaming of a 1-2-3 of Eichel-Lindholm-Monahan down the centre, a Johnny Gaudreau extension, an exciting/eventful expansion and entry draft, and a Taylor Hall signing on free agent day.

This will end well.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’m in line to ride the emotional rollercoaster that is known as the Calgary Flames off-season.

I’m dreaming of a 1-2-3 of Eichel-Lindholm-Monahan down the centre, a Johnny Gaudreau extension, an exciting/eventful expansion and entry draft, and a Taylor Hall signing on free agent day.

This will end well.

I like it. I wonder if the Flames get Eichel without moving another top 3 C if we see Lindholm return to the wing?

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Hall-Monahan-Mangiapane
Lucic-Backlund-Dube

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I like it. I wonder if the Flames get Eichel without moving another top 3 C if we see Lindholm return to the wing?

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Hall-Monahan-Mangiapane
Lucic-Backlund-Dube

Oof. I wish I hadn't seen that. The snap back to reality is going to be very sobering.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think we should guard against being disappointed if the Flames don't acquire Jack Eichel. Though I'm advocating for it I think the actual chance of it happening are less than 10 percent.

Having said that, there are still some very good plan B's out there. I think this group will be focused on creating the right change to move the team forward.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Barca

If LA wants Eichel, they will get him. They have a lot of attractive assets to offer and they desperately want to make the playoffs next season. Doughty has made it public that he doesn't want to go on a rebuild, so I can see them making a big push.

Any trade involving a top 5 center is going to include blue chippers a pick and a valuable member of the current team.

the Tkachuk + Valimaki or 12th proposals are not even going to get them interested.

they are trading a premier position for a winger (both downgrades in skill and position) for a player who might bolt in a couple of years and is due for 9m next contract? Not gonna happen.

Lindholm + 12th and Dube/Zary is what I think will get it done.

Those two offers really aren't that different. I think you are vastly underrating Valimaki's value.

[Barca]

Originally Posted by blankall

Those two offers really aren't that different. I think you are vastly underrating Valimaki's value.

I see him as a #3 or a really good #4 defenceman.

what do you think his value is?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by blankall

Those two offers really aren't that different. I think you are vastly underrating Valimaki's value.

And if the packages are more or less the same value wise, you know the Sabres would prefer to send Eichel into exile in Canada as opposed to California.

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by TOfan

my reading of the tea leaves is that Treliving is going to be aggressive this offseason and Eichel fits the bill as far as Calgary's needs go more than any player rumoured to be available. I think the Flames have the pieces to get it done, but it also takes Buffalo agreeing to it. A lot of this is out of the hands of the Flames. I would be disappointed if it didn't happen, but I also don't think Treliving should just drop a blank cheque off at Adams desk.

The other factor as we watch the playoffs is speed and edge work still counts big time.

Of our core top 4 skaters its no comparison, Gaudreau and Lindholm can skate while Tkachuk and Monahan are simply not at their level. Tkachuks the more valuable trade chip just on league reputation as much as his scoring prowess. With Monahan coming off another injury and he has a 10 team no trade who knows if he can be traded for value yet. He's from Ontario so Buffalo MAY be okay for him.

Eichel can skate.

Amoung his other great attributes and EVERY player Buffalo has are big minus', Rienhardt included.

PS Backlund haters that guy can skate!

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Toonage

This is what I've been saying for what feels like months. You don't get Eichel from Buffalo just to recreate Buffalo for him here.

I’m in the exact same boat. I actually kind of gave up on the idea because it just seems so unrealistic at this point.

The only way I see the Flames getting to a better place is if they can find a way to build 2 top scoring lines and formidable depth in the bottom 6. But every realistic trade involving Jack Eichel appears to put the Flames right back to being a one line team which is what they’ve sort of been for years.

The team tried to go the opposite direction this past season by spreading the wealth which made them way too thin everywhere else and it resulted in the worst season for this core group.

I just don’t think there’s an easy answer to solving the woes of this franchise though, so I’ve lowered my expectations in hopes that I’ll be pleasantly surprised. We’ll see what happens. Secretly I’m hoping the Sabres end up taking a package that includes Monahan and Hanifin and the Flames can keep the first line intact and slot Eichel as the #2C. This team playing a defensive first Sutter system probably can afford to take the hit on the blue line.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

The other factor as we watch the playoffs is speed and edge work still counts big time.

Of our core top 4 skaters its no comparison, Gaudreau and Lindholm can skate while Tkachuk and Monahan are simply not at their level. Tkachuks the more valuable trade chip just on league reputation as much as his scoring prowess. With Monahan coming off another injury and he has a 10 team no trade who knows if he can be traded for value yet. He's from Ontario so Buffalo MAY be okay for him.

Eichel can skate.

Amoung his other great attributes and EVERY player Buffalo has are big minus', Rienhardt included.

PS Backlund haters that guy can skate!

I agree with most of you said, but I think people get confused with Matthew Tkachuk. He’s clearly not fast, but he compensates by being really strong with the puck and I think that’s almost equally as important as being quick like Gaudreau. I think Tkachuk has the hockey IQ and elite play below the hashmarks to be a play driver. He can drive the cycle game and that’s an element the team would miss without him.

[Heavy Jack]

Man if the flames landed Eichel and then turned around and signed T.Hall and at a discount I’d laugh so hard. Literally a dream off-season that suddenly is starting to seem and sound slightly less absurd... the anger that would come from the oiler fans would be amazing.