[PST] Stanley Cup Semifinal: New York Islanders vs. Tampa Bay Lightning---Bolts win 4-3!

[Erick Estrada]

Even if the Islanders lose this series I have to imagine that ownership must be giddy with the prospects of a new arena opening in the fall with the current level of fan excitement in that city.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by RatherDashing

Serious question, how did the Islanders get so good? It feels like a couple of years ago they were tearing down the team and staring at a long rebuild.

Barry Trotz and Mitch Korn. I guarantee you could ship them to any city in the league and winning would immediately follow.

[Northendzone]

i'd like to see tampa win, so all the parents that missed out on seeing the boys win last year can experience what they should have

[GioforPM]

^ Pageau is an addition as well.

The main upgrades for the Isles were coach (including goalie coach) and in goal. I suppose that Barzal, Beauvillier etc have grown into their roles since 2018.

ETA: Looking at their roster I forgot Czarnik is on the team.

[CSharp]

Cheering more for Trotz than anything. Trotz is a winner pretty much on any team he's been with.

[JBR]

That $19 million in extra cap space will work in Tampa's favor.

Lightning in 5.

3 Cups - 2 asterisks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Cheering more for Trotz than anything. Trotz is a winner pretty much on any team he's been with.

For years I was actually thinking he was a guy who could get you close, but for some reason never all the way. Finally broke through after years.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by indes

They traded hamonic to some sucker for a kings ransom

I know you're kidding, but they haven't really reaped much from that deal yet. Only Dobson has become an NHLer for them so far.


The Oilers, on the other hand...

https://twitter.com/user/status/1402992882659696648

https://twitter.com/user/status/1403004427192127488

[GioforPM]

^^ Beauvillier is such a sleeper player. Really surprising player this year.

[hwy19man]

Game one is this Sunday at 1300h!

[Tsawwassen]

vs

Series preview (more links will be provided when released)
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article...-vs-islanders/
https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/sto...ps-series-pick
https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2021/06/12...final-preview/
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl...view-1.6063990





All times Mountain


Sunday, June 13: at Tampa Bay on CBC, SN, NBC, and TVA Sports 1300h/1:00 p.m.
Tuesday, June 15 at Tampa Bay on CBC, SN, NBCSN, and TVA Sports 1800h/6:00 pm

Thursday, June 17: at Islanders on CBC, SN, USA, and TVA Sports 1800h/6:00 pm
Saturday, June 19: at Islanders on CBC, SN, USA, and TVA Sports 1800h/6:00 pm




*Monday, June 21: at Tampa Bay on CBC, SN, NBCSN, and TVA Sports 1800h/6:00 pm

*Wednesday, June 23: at Islanders on CBC, SN, NBCSN, and TVA Sports 1800h/6:00 pm

*Saturday, June 11: at Tampa Bay on CBC, SN, NBCSN, and TVA Sports1800h/6:00 pm



Lightning: 36-17-3, 75 points ​(eighth in the overall standings)
Islanders: 32-17-7, 71 points ​(twelfth in the overall standings)

Regular-season series: the teams did not play each other in the regular season due to the pandemic division based schedule.


This will be the fourth time these two teams will play each other in the playoffs.

The previous playoff series were in 2004, 2016, and 2020 in the first, second, and third rounds respectively.


Here is last year's playoff series thread, https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=180489

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Barry Trotz and Mitch Korn. I guarantee you could ship them to any city in the league and winning would immediately follow.

What is really sad is Trotz would have liked to have coached in Calgary. I had opportunity to sit with him on a flight and we talked hockey for a couple of hours. Was really surprised just how much he knew about the Flames and their entire organization, like he had studied it. He knew all of the prospects and where he thought they could/would play and was very positive about the potential of the team. He said it was a team he would really like to coach.
Really sad the Flames couldn't get him in the fold. But when you have a number of world class coaches like Gulutzan, Peters, and Ward at your disposal, why would Trotz be on the radar.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What is really sad is Trotz would have liked to have coached in Calgary. I had opportunity to sit with him on a flight and we talked hockey for a couple of hours. Was really surprised just how much he knew about the Flames and their entire organization, like he had studied it. He knew all of the prospects and where he thought they could/would play and was very positive about the potential of the team. He said it was a team he would really like to coach.
Really sad the Flames couldn't get him in the fold. But when you have a number of world class coaches like Gulutzan, Peters, and Ward at your disposal, why would Trotz be on the radar.

Interesting. Around what year would this conversation have happened?

Looking at his career the only time he potentially would have been available was the 2014 offseason between Nashville and Washington. Flames had Hartley under contract at the time, and it was when they were still in "rebuild" mode before the 14-15 seasons accelerated plans.

I guess maybe they could have tried to hire him in 2018 after the Flames fired GG and Washington didn't extend Trotz after winning the cup, but he was pretty much immediately hired by the NYI (resigned from Washington the Monday, signed to coach the Islanders the Thursday).

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What is really sad is Trotz would have liked to have coached in Calgary. I had opportunity to sit with him on a flight and we talked hockey for a couple of hours. Was really surprised just how much he knew about the Flames and their entire organization, like he had studied it. He knew all of the prospects and where he thought they could/would play and was very positive about the potential of the team. He said it was a team he would really like to coach.
Really sad the Flames couldn't get him in the fold. But when you have a number of world class coaches like Gulutzan, Peters, and Ward at your disposal, why would Trotz be on the radar.

…. Thanks for ruining my day with your story.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Interesting. Around what year would this conversation have happened?

Looking at his career the only time he potentially would have been available was the 2014 offseason between Nashville and Washington. Flames had Hartley under contract at the time, and it was when they were still in "rebuild" mode before the 14-15 seasons accelerated plans.

I guess maybe they could have tried to hire him in 2018 after the Flames fired GG and Washington didn't extend Trotz after winning the cup, but he was pretty much immediately hired by the NYI (resigned from Washington the Monday, signed to coach the Islanders the Thursday).

IIRC, Treliving didn’t interview anyone other than Peters after GG got the deep 6.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Interesting. Around what year would this conversation have happened?

Looking at his career the only time he potentially would have been available was the 2014 offseason between Nashville and Washington. Flames had Hartley under contract at the time, and it was when they were still in "rebuild" mode before the 14-15 seasons accelerated plans.

I guess maybe they could have tried to hire him in 2018 after the Flames fired GG and Washington didn't extend Trotz after winning the cup, but he was pretty much immediately hired by the NYI (resigned from Washington the Monday, signed to coach the Islanders the Thursday).

Peters was hired more than a month before Trotz was even finished with the season.

Fun fact, before he won the cup, Trotz had never gotten past the second round.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

What is really sad is Trotz would have liked to have coached in Calgary. I had opportunity to sit with him on a flight and we talked hockey for a couple of hours. Was really surprised just how much he knew about the Flames and their entire organization, like he had studied it. He knew all of the prospects and where he thought they could/would play and was very positive about the potential of the team. He said it was a team he would really like to coach.
Really sad the Flames couldn't get him in the fold. But when you have a number of world class coaches like Gulutzan, Peters, and Ward at your disposal, why would Trotz be on the radar.

This knowledge is truly depressing - too bad Trotz wasn't on board with THE PROCESS like GG, Ward, and Peters were.

I wonder if South Park's Underpants Gnomes would have more success running this team with their process than Treliving has had with his.

Step 1: Steal Underpants
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: Stanley Cup!

[GioforPM]

That conversation sounds like Trotz just talking hockey. Saying “that’s a team I’d like to coach” doesn’t actually mean he wanted to coach in Calgary. He just liked the players and/or was making polite hockey conversation. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t say “your team sucks”).

Anyway, there was literally never a window unless in April you were convinced that Trotz wouldn’t be extended in June. IIRC Peters had to declare on his option with Fla well before then, so that was the urgency.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

That conversation sounds like Trotz just talking hockey. Saying “that’s a team I’d like to coach” doesn’t actually mean he wanted to coach in Calgary. He just liked the players and/or was making polite hockey conversation. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t say “your team sucks”).

Anyway, there was literally never a window unless in April you were convinced that Trotz wouldn’t be extended in June. IIRC Peters had to declare on his option with Fla well before then, so that was the urgency.

Actually, he was very frank about different teams and where they stood. He said, point blank, that he would like to coach the Flames, prior to identifying the Flames as a point of discussion. But thanks for injecting your knowledge of the discussion into the the thread. The fact of this discussion was he was just coming available but the Flames had already invested in Peters. Timing is everything, and had the Flames made it known they were interested in him, it could have been different. But he never heard anything from the hockey team because they rushed to hire Bill Peters. Sometimes patience is a good thing, but when it comes to coaches Brad Treliving has always managed to prove himself to be an incompetent. Imagine where this team could have been with Trotz behind the bench.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Actually, he was very frank about different teams and where they stood. He said, point blank, that he would like to coach the Flames, prior to identifying the Flames as a point of discussion. But thanks for injecting your knowledge of the discussion into the the thread. The fact of this discussion was he was just coming available but the Flames had already invested in Peters. Timing is everything, and had the Flames made it known they were interested in him, it could have been different. But he never heard anything from the hockey team because they rushed to hire Bill Peters. Sometimes patience is a good thing, but when it comes to coaches Brad Treliving has always managed to prove himself to be an incompetent. Imagine where this team could have been with Trotz behind the bench.

In other words, I was right, this was after Peters was hired. Tell me you knew Trotz wasn't going to be extended in Washington until after the Stanley Cup. In fact, his contract was able to be extended at his option because he won a cup: https://www.nhl.com/capitals/news/tr...in/c-299109054. But the extension was too cheap. They negotiated for a while but never were close, so he bolted June 18 or so.

Well prior to that, in April, Peters had a seven day option to opt out of his Canes contract, and was given a very brief extension. But he had to decide so Calgary had to either make him an offer or not hire him at all. he resigned on the last day of his option to take the Flames job.

So there was never a window to hire Trotz because he wasn't even available until mid-June. There was no real hint he was available until the Cup Finals.