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Demetric · 06-10-2021, 10:35 AM

from he who shall not be named:

On Taylor Hall...
Hall's playoffs may have salvaged his next contract...a bit. He had a great end of the year/first series with the Bruins, but against the Islanders, when he was needed the most Hall again came up small. I have been hearing for over a year now that Hall was following the Tavares path and wanting to return home to play in Alberta...this time for the Flames. The Kings and Jackets might also be in play...

https://screenrec.com/share/N3n2OSwDj0

and well there is also this:

https://screenrec.com/share/c0tCGXHBm3

GioforPM · 06-10-2021, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Demetric

from he who shall not be named:

On Taylor Hall...
Hall's playoffs may have salvaged his next contract...a bit. He had a great end of the year/first series with the Bruins, but against the Islanders, when he was needed the most Hall again came up small. I have been hearing for over a year now that Hall was following the Tavares path and wanting to return home to play in Alberta...this time for the Flames. The Kings and Jackets might also be in play...

Even when Hall was scoring in the POs I watched him (because I had him in a pool) and he was pretty invisible. Scored a couple big goals at the end of close games in the Caps series, but it was kind of like Pitt Klima scoring in OT after being benched. Hall did nothing all game and then shoveled in a goal off of a goalmouth scrum.

Scroopy Noopers · 06-10-2021, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Even when Hall was scoring in the POs I watched him (because I had him in a pool) and he was pretty invisible. Scored a couple big goals at the end of close games in the Caps series, but it was kind of like Pitt Klima scoring in OT after being benched. Hall did nothing all game and then shoveled in a goal off of a goalmouth scrum.

You mean his game tying goal where he drove wide around Carlson and made him look pedestrian?

Guy has elite offensive ability still, he’ll be effective if he goes to a team with top 6 depth and they don’t blow the bank on him.

keenan87 · 06-10-2021, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Even when Hall was scoring in the POs I watched him (because I had him in a pool) and he was pretty invisible. Scored a couple big goals at the end of close games in the Caps series, but it was kind of like Pitt Klima scoring in OT after being benched. Hall did nothing all game and then shoveled in a goal off of a goalmouth scrum.

That is more than what most current top Flames players do in the playoffs. I have no problems bringing in someone who can score a few big goals regardless of how "pretty" they may be.

GioforPM · 06-10-2021, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

You mean his game tying goal? Where he drove wide around Carlson and made him look pedestrian?

Guy has elite offensive ability still, he’ll be effective if he goes to a team with top 6 depth and they don’t blow the bank on him.

He drove wide, but in slow motion, and put a weak shot on net, and then managed to shovel the puck in off the scramble.

https://youtu.be/Py5tCV9s-F0

I’ll take him at $5M x 3.

cKy · 06-10-2021, 10:56 AM

What? Not many players played well in the Isles series, but Hall was back checking, was physical, caused some turnovers. Lots of players played poorly in the Isles series, but I noticed Hall a lot more than I noticed others like DeBrusk (who I usually really like)

GioforPM · 06-10-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cKy

What? Not many players played well in the Isles series, but Hall was back checking, was physical, caused some turnovers. Lots of players played poorly in the Isles series, but I noticed Hall a lot more than I noticed others like DeBrusk (who I usually really like)

I thought the top line was their usual self - just played very well by the Isles. I saw Hall cough it up a lot more than other players, and his puck management was not up to the Bruin standard - he made some high risk low reward plays at the blue lien I noticed.

Erick Estrada · 06-10-2021, 10:58 AM

So if you were a GM of a team and had enough cap space to add a top 6 forward would you choose Taylor Hall or Ryan Nugent Hopkins and why?

ComixZone · 06-10-2021, 10:59 AM

Hall's playoffs:

CF%: 54.68
SF%: 58.76
GF%: 53.85
xGF%: 64.18
SCF%: 54.61
HDCF%: 70.91
HDGF%: 62.50
MDCF%: 45.36
MDGF%: 50.00

I think there's a decent amount of personal bias against Taylor Hall (which I get, Oilers gonna Oiler), but he's a very good player.

Should he get paid like he just won the Hart trophy? Hell no, but there's a good player there and he would definitely improve our forward position.

Canada 02 · 06-10-2021, 11:03 AM

some really good UFAs this year. Seattle is going to outbid for 2-3 of them and have a Vegas-like team

Demetric · 06-10-2021, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So if you were a GM of a team and had enough cap space to add a top 6 forward would you choose Taylor Hall or Ryan Nugent Hopkins and why?

I would go for Danault before RNH

GioforPM · 06-10-2021, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ComixZone

Hall's playoffs:

CF%: 54.68
SF%: 58.76
GF%: 53.85
xGF%: 64.18
SCF%: 54.61
HDCF%: 70.91
HDGF%: 62.50
MDCF%: 45.36
MDGF%: 50.00

I think there's a decent amount of personal bias against Taylor Hall (which I get, Oilers gonna Oiler), but he's a very good player.

Should he get paid like he just won the Hart trophy? Hell no, but there's a good player there and he would definitely improve our forward position.

I wanted him to do well. Had him in my pool, like I said. And I root for him because he escaped. I just didn’t think of him as an impact player in the POs. More of an afterthought.

Canada 02 · 06-10-2021, 11:11 AM

will Landeskog or Saad re-sign? I assume the Avs will save their cap space for Makar and Grubauer

Poe969 · 06-10-2021, 11:11 AM

I'd sign Hall and i think NJ is a great trade partner for Gaudreau if they move him.

GioforPM · 06-10-2021, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Canada 02

will Landeskog or Saad re-sign? I assume the Avs will save their cap space for Makar and Grubauer

I suspect Landeskog does, and Saad will be cut loose. And whoever gets him won’t regret it.

powderjunkie · 06-10-2021, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So if you were a GM of a team and had enough cap space to add a top 6 forward would you choose Taylor Hall or Ryan Nugent Hopkins and why?

I'd stay away from both, unless their contracts are very competitive with the next tier. If I'm trying to plug a core slot, I recognize that is foolhardy via UFA and go short-term on an older UFA to fill that role and possibly sell at TDL. If I'm a contender looking to go over the top, I go short-term on an older UFA who will deliver value.

I'd rather try 2-3 of the following for probably less total money and term than the former 1OAs:

Saad
Tatar
Palmieri
Schwartz
Hoffman
Johansson
Perreault
Bjugstad
Armia
Coleman
Gusev
McGinn
B Ryan

Danault
Stastny
Wennberg
Granlund
Stepan
E Staal
Zajac
Bozak
Anisimov
Sutter
Bonino
D Ryan
Cizikas

ComixZone · 06-10-2021, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suspect Landeskog does, and Saad will be cut loose. And whoever gets him won’t regret it.

I’m generally in a “stay out of free agency” mode because it’s just not a good way to build a team…but adding Saad and Hall would be such an awesome summer. I’d certainly get excited about that.

What if those were the only changes outside of stuff we can’t control (Gio to Seattle)?

Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Hall - Monahan - Saad
Dube - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Ruzicka - Gawdin/Phillips

Hanifin - Andersson
Valimaki - Tanev
Mackey - Kylington/?

Markstrom
?

I still look at the centre ice position as icky, but adding players like Saad and Hall would certainly excite me.

bubbsy · 06-10-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

I'd sign Hall and i think NJ is a great trade partner for Gaudreau if they move him.

I agree. going strictly by paper, haven't really watched the devils much, but they seem to have a lot young centers on the roster already, not to mention 2x1st round picks and 2x2nd round picks in this year's draft.

Would Gaudreau + ? for (1 of Merkley, Mcleod, Zacha) + a 1st/2nd be a decent deal? None of those centers scream obvious top 6 just yet, hence the + a high pick in my opinion.

<ducks, I might be way off on the value assessment of the devil players involved>

GioforPM · 06-10-2021, 12:01 PM

The thing about Saad is that he’s always been pretty consistent and won’t break the bank. Not sure about Hall in that regard.

delayedreflex · 06-10-2021, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bubbsy

I agree. going strictly by paper, haven't really watched the devils much, but they seem to have a lot young centers on the roster already, not to mention 2x1st round picks and 2x2nd round picks in this year's draft.

Would Gaudreau + ? for (1 of Merkley, Mcleod, Zacha) + a 1st/2nd be a decent deal? None of those centers scream obvious top 6 just yet, hence the + a high pick in my opinion.

<ducks, I might be way off on the value assessment of the devil players involved>

I admit I haven't watched NJ at all pretty much, but I'd almost think you should get at least three, if not all four out of Zacha/Mcleod/Merkley/2nd round pick for Gaudreau (especially if there's a +?). That would probably be contingent on NJ thinking they could sign Gaudreau to an extension, so hard to say how open Gaudreau would be to that, but between Hischier/Hughes NJ has a decent base to build from so there's a decent chance he could stay with them. A first round pick would be pretty different - if it's this year's (4th overall), then your proposal looks more fair, and if it was Zacha + 4th overall pick I'd think hard about it. Mcleod I'm less sold on and Merkley cleared waivers this year so I don't think he's worth a whole lot.