06-08-2021, 10:15 PM
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#501
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: North Vancouver
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Ugh, stupid Avs. God I hate Vegas.
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06-08-2021, 10:15 PM
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#502
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
Ah, that makes sense.
I just recalled some kind of no go, or a favouring of Vegas from Stone's camp.
Just wasn't interested in extending with the Flames. That's a shame.. Even brother Michael couldn't sway him.
I think he would've had a notable impact on the team.
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Stone, Kadri, Brown
This is why I give Flames GMs a bit of a break...different Geography and the team looks a lot different IMO
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06-08-2021, 10:16 PM
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#503
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Lifetime Suspension
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Vegas plays Montreal hockey way better than Montreal.
And MAF isn't far off of Price's level.
They'll get smoked. But that said, this one is also far from over.
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06-08-2021, 10:16 PM
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#504
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Originally Posted by djsFlames
When we were supposedly "in" on him, did Stone get to choose his destination (NTC)? I don't remember.
Or did we actually just opt for Valimaki over Stone and take ourselves out of the running against Vegas.
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Where have you been?
Thats been hashed over here for years.
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06-08-2021, 10:18 PM
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#505
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Stone, Kadri, Brown
This is why I give Flames GMs a bit of a break...different Geography and the team looks a lot different IMO
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Would've been a fascinating roster to watch if Calgary had the appeal of Vegas to players.
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06-08-2021, 10:18 PM
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#506
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Jacks
Colorado imploding
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Couldnt happen to a nicer group of guys...
Losing 3 (hopefully 4) in a row? We know how that feels guys...enjoy it!
I dont get the hate for Vegas, I like the way they play and as long as they tune the Avs I've made peace with it.
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06-08-2021, 10:20 PM
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#507
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Stone, Kadri, Brown
This is why I give Flames GMs a bit of a break...different Geography and the team looks a lot different IMO
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Also Fox.
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06-08-2021, 10:24 PM
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#508
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Franchise Player
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Colorado really blew this game...they should have scored many more and all the Vegas goals easily preventable
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06-09-2021, 01:00 AM
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#509
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#1 Goaltender
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Based on Mark Stone's facial expressions during each and every game, I am pretty sure his water bottle is filled with liquid cocaine. The ultimate Scoreface....
Last edited by 3rd liner; 06-09-2021 at 01:02 AM.
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06-09-2021, 07:05 AM
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#511
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
The Flames were in on Stone. They opted out when Stone declined to to talk to them about the extension for next year (unlike Vegas). So the Flames opted out since he was obviously going to be a rental only. Stone would not have been here this year no matter what.
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Has this been confirmed?
I keep seeing this but don’t recall Friedman or LeBrun confirming it.
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06-09-2021, 07:23 AM
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#512
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status...86680670642179
A Stone trade and sign would have been very tough to do unless the Sens took Neal or the Flames were prepared to trade another core piece for futures as the cap squeeze was real that summer.
Had the Flames not signed Neal they likely could have packaged Frolik with Valimaki and our 1st for Stone and made the money work if Stone had any interest signing here
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06-09-2021, 07:26 AM
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#513
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Franchise Player
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Last edited by Tsawwassen; 06-11-2021 at 06:38 AM.
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06-09-2021, 07:34 AM
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#514
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
https://twitter.com/wyshynski/status...86680670642179
A Stone trade and sign would have been very tough to do unless the Sens took Neal or the Flames were prepared to trade another core piece for futures as the cap squeeze was real that summer.
Had the Flames not signed Neal they likely could have packaged Frolik with Valimaki and our 1st for Stone and made the money work if Stone had any interest signing here
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I wonder if Treliving could go back in time if he makes the trade as I feel the team may have overestimated Valimaki's ceiling at that time. I think Valimaki is still going to be a solid top 4 defenseman but I think the organization felt he was going to be the heir apparent to Gio.
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06-09-2021, 08:04 AM
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#515
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I wonder if Treliving could go back in time if he makes the trade as I feel the team may have overestimated Valimaki's ceiling at that time. I think Valimaki is still going to be a solid top 4 defenseman but I think the organization felt he was going to be the heir apparent to Gio.
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He still can. I’m not knocking out Valimaki until I see a much larger sample size. He still has what it takes. I think with his season ending injury at the beginning of 19/20, the covid pause (and not playing him in the playoffs for expansion purposes), and the weird 2021 season isn’t exactly a recipe for success, especially one that doesn’t even have 100 GP let alone a full 82 game season under his belt. Defenseman also take longer too develop.
Stone wasn’t going to be the deciding factor between the Avs and us in ‘19. We were shelled from every single one of their lines. Stone couldn’t be on the ice for 60 minutes. It was good we didn’t trade a top end prospect for a guy we had no cap space to re-sign. We had to re-sign Tkachuk too.
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06-09-2021, 08:28 AM
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#516
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Has this been confirmed?
I keep seeing this but don’t recall Friedman or LeBrun confirming it.
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I’ve posted the story a ton of times. It’s as verified as a story like that can get IMO. And why wouldn’t you believe it? You’d rather think that the Flames (and a couple other teams who got the same message) just gave up?
ETA: Florida and Winnipeg were in the same boat. And Vegas didn’t do the deal until they actually had an agreement for an extension with Stone. Hard for Treliving to do that when Stone wouldn’t commit at all.
https://thehockeywriters.com/mark-st...trade-details/
Last edited by GioforPM; 06-09-2021 at 08:34 AM.
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06-09-2021, 08:36 AM
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#517
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Quote:
Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan
Has this been confirmed?
I keep seeing this but don’t recall Friedman or LeBrun confirming it.
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Not confirmed. No one knows exactly what was offered, what was communicated to Stone or what his intentions were. So take with a grain of salt anyone that states definitively what the situation was.
Would Stone have signed an extension here? I suppose it seems unlikely but players have enjoyed their experience on a team and signed an extension before.
So I have a difficult time having a firm opinion on what the club should or should not have done.
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06-09-2021, 08:51 AM
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#518
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Franchise Player
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The way I look at this is there are 3 scenarios that were possible.
1. Flames trade for him and sign him. This is the best scenario but also perhaps the least likely
2. Flames trade for him and he walks. This is the worst scenario unless you believe Stone would have put them over the top. Which seems unlikely
3. Flames don't trade for him
Again #1 is the best scenario but if the Flames didn't feel confident they could sign him - then it was prudent not to do the deal. So that assessment hinges on what one believes the probability of that scenario was such that they should have taken the risk. Do you make the deal if there's only a 25% chance he signs an extension? I probably don't. I probably need to feel I've got a least a 50/50 crack if not higher.
As with many things, a decision like this comes down to risk v. opportunity and probability of scenarios.
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06-09-2021, 09:01 AM
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#519
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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If Stone is (a) talking to Vegas about an extension and (b) refusing to talk to Calgary, Winnipeg and Florida about an extension, he’s not signing with Calgary.
Even Vegas wasn’t risking their offer without a deal in place.
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06-09-2021, 09:11 AM
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#520
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
The way I look at this is there are 3 scenarios that were possible.
1. Flames trade for him and sign him. This is the best scenario but also perhaps the least likely
2. Flames trade for him and he walks. This is the worst scenario unless you believe Stone would have put them over the top. Which seems unlikely
3. Flames don't trade for him
Again #1 is the best scenario but if the Flames didn't feel confident they could sign him - then it was prudent not to do the deal. So that assessment hinges on what one believes the probability of that scenario was such that they should have taken the risk. Do you make the deal if there's only a 25% chance he signs an extension? I probably don't. I probably need to feel I've got a least a 50/50 crack if not higher.
As with many things, a decision like this comes down to risk v. opportunity and probability of scenarios.
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Option 2 would have potentially been doable if the Hamonic and other pick trades did not occur. The Flames really couldn’t afford a futures for rental trade thanks to the lack of assets that came from dealing picks for Hamonic, Lazar, Smith, Elliott etc.
If there was a year to make that move 2019 appeared to be it. Stone was exactly the player the Flames needed at the time (and still need). Using hindsight it was a bullet that was dodged as I do not believe Stone changes the outcome of that Avs series anyway and likely would have walked in the summer
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