[PST] Quarter Finals: Montreal Canadiens vs. Winnipeg Jets - HABS WIN SERIES 4-0

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Carey Price only played 25 games - maybe that played a role.

Look, I don’t think the Habs are legit, I think they’re frauds propped up by elite goaltending. And I haven’t ever seen a team win with this sort of makeup.

But they have 31, and he makes them believe in miracles.

Going forward, they’re probably best off to have Price get whatever surgery he needs in August, give him until February to rehab, and then give him 20 games at the end of the year to get in shape for the playoffs.

Allen was great this year but he is likely going to Seattle

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You should have both on your team - it helps with transition, it helps in the offensive zone, etc. The Flames have hardly any good ones. And the two RHS with the most skill both play centre.

6/10 of the top scorers being LHS is merely a reflection of the abundance of LHS in the league. I suspect it’s actually an over representation. I’d bet the league is more than 60% LHS.

913 players played at least one game in the NHL this season. 570 are left shots (62.4%).

235 players scored at least 0.5 points per game this season. 142 of them are left shots (60.4%).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Your inference. Not my statement and not my intent

Tre has the avenue of trade available too

Habs filled a roster hole, made the playoffs and are having success. Signed right wingers

It is really pretty basic blocking and tackling for a GM. You would think

Montreal paid Domi (coming off a 44 point year) and a 3rd for the right to sign Anderson to $5.5M. That would have been, at the time, like trading Mangiapane and a 3rd. Anderson got off to a super hot start but in the end, Mangiapane outperformed him, for a lot less money.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Montreal paid Domi (coming off a 44 point year) and a 3rd for the right to sign Anderson to $5.5M. That would have been, at the time, like trading Mangiapane and a 3rd. Anderson got off to a super hot start but in the end, Mangiapane outperformed him, for a lot less money.

I didn't realize until looking it up that Anderson has only 1 goal in the playoffs. Not much of a factor

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Allen was great this year but he is likely going to Seattle

Halak is a UFA.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I didn't realize until looking it up that Anderson has only 1 goal in the playoffs. Not much of a factor

Especially for a guy that seems like he’s made for PO hockey. I thought the Flames really missed the boat but he sure slowed down over time.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect you are right.
But dear lord what does that say about the Jets?
And does that say about the Oilers?

It confirms the long-standing assertion that Edmonton is No Good.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm just going to go ahead and predict they get absolutely obliterated. Have you guys been watching Vegas / Colorado? It's like they're playing an entirely different sport from this series.

What happens to those teams when they run into a squad that plays great defense? I guess we'll see.

Originally Posted by dino7c

Don't forget it was the Jets missing 2 of their best skaters for most of the series

What did their other good players do in their absence? Blake Wheeler? Zip. Nik Ehlers? 1 goal. Dubois was invisible.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I didn't realize until looking it up that Anderson has only 1 goal in the playoffs. Not much of a factor

More to playoffs than goal scoring. He's hitting everything that moves. And all of their players are playing a terrific defensive game.

Everyone is giving Price all the credit, there's a team in front of him not letting the other teams get quality chances.

[GioforPM]

Vegas and Colorado each beat teams that defend well. Vegas probably defends better than Montreal.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Don't forget it was the Jets missing 2 of their best skaters for most of the series

There’s no question, Montreal got two huge breaks not having to face the Leafs with Tavares for 6 and 2/3 games, and Scheifele for the last three.

With JT in the lineup, the Leafs win that series.

With Scheifele, the Jets at least don’t get swept.

[habernac]

Phillip Danault has two assists. If you're judging him by that, his playoffs look like a failure. His job was to shut down Matthews and Marner in round one. 1 goal. He did even better vs Winnipeg in round two.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by habernac

Phillip Danault has two assists. If you're judging him by that, his playoffs look like a failure. His job was to shut down Matthews and Marner in round one. 1 goal. He did even better vs Winnipeg in round two.

You seem a bit defensive. No one even mentioned Danault.

[habernac]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vegas and Colorado each beat teams that defend well. Vegas probably defends better than Montreal.

The Wild are a good defensive team. Vegas beat them in 7, sounds like it wasn't a cakewalk.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I suspect you are right.
But dear lord what does that say about the Jets?
And does that say about the Oilers?

It really says that the Jets were a different team when they beat the Oilers.

Pretty certain that the Oilers would have swept the Jet team that went up against Montreal. Was Demelo instead of Poolman worth a goal a game?? Or more? Poolman was not on the ice with Draistl and McDavid.... there was a reason.


Take away your best forward and another top-6 forward and a top pairing d-man and you just are not as good or anywhere close to as good a team.


Do that to any team and their playoff run stops abruptly.

Take Mackinnon out along with Kadri and Devon Toews from the start of the series and Vegas would either likely have finished them off by now. Montreal likely does well against the Avs



Montreal was missing Price AND Weber 8 games and Chiarot 11 and playing a 21 year old rookie D-man 17 minutes for 54 out of 56. Rescuing Staal from Buffalo was a spectacular move Staal had 5 pts for the Wild in their 4 bubble games less than a year ago

This current Montreal team would have likely finished higher up the North division standings.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I didn't realize until looking it up that Anderson has only 1 goal in the playoffs. Not much of a factor

Hard on the forecheck, hits everything and stands up for his teammates.
Also playing in the 3rd round of the playoffs.

Great analysis.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by habernac

The Wild are a good defensive team. Vegas beat them in 7, sounds like it wasn't a cakewalk.

The Wild were a better defensive team than Montreal in 2021, plus they were tied with TB for goals scored in the regular season, putting them 8th.

Vegas and Colorado were 1 and 3 in goals for and 1 and 3 in goals against. Montreal hasn’t seen anything like them.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Montreal paid Domi (coming off a 44 point year) and a 3rd for the right to sign Anderson to $5.5M. That would have been, at the time, like trading Mangiapane and a 3rd. Anderson got off to a super hot start but in the end, Mangiapane outperformed him, for a lot less money.

I’m getting confused. Are we comparing Anderson to Domi or Mangiapane?

So Bergevin arguably sold high on Domi, who has a similar 5.3 cap hit. Anderson had the same 24 points as Domi but 17 were goals

(And as for comparing players, at those salaries, it’s more like the Lucic Neal swap, just both guys are better than them and are still on the front 9. So why we pick Mangiapane is convenient in that he is best bang for the buck)

Bergevin did trade a C for a RW. (Imagine that)

I was just thinking it’s pretty basic stuff. Actually getting top 9 right wingers to fill the right wing roster holes

And having team success

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

An accurate statement would have been that he was able to acquire 3 quality RWs during the off-season, by trading and signing one, and signing two others.
But we don't even know if the available free agents would have signed in Calgary. The notion that because one team was able to sign a player that the Flames should have or could have is a fallacy.

Including because we should come to grips with the idea that Calgary is probably one of THE least desirable teams to sign with.

Yes that would have been an accurate statement

But I had already made an accurate statement

Bergevin signed 3 RWs

[habernac]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

The Wild were a better defensive team than Montreal in 2021, plus they were tied with TB for goals scored in the regular season, putting them 8th.

Vegas and Colorado were 1 and 3 in goals for and 1 and 3 in goals against. Montreal hasn’t seen anything like them.

I hope whoever they play takes them as lightly as you are.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

There’s no question, Montreal got two huge breaks not having to face the Leafs with Tavares for 6 and 2/3 games, and Scheifele for the last three.

With JT in the lineup, the Leafs win that series.

With Scheifele, the Jets at least don’t get swept.

I am seeing a lot of arguments that go like this

- result happens
- concoct and imagine an alternate scenario
- state that if that scenario was reality, the result would be different

This has been used with the regular season, round 1 and round 2 so far.

Tavares did not get a point in the game he played. Auston Matthews was held to 1 goal. The Jets lost the game that Scheifele played. Either way here we are. The Habs are in the semifinals

Eventually you will most likely be right, Montreal like 30 other teams won’t win the Cup. There’s a slim chance they do, but odds are eventually most likely against them