06-07-2021, 04:29 PM
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#13041
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
Of course Seattle could have its mind changed by another team that wants Gio.
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Which is exactly why the Flames should work out a deal that has Seattle taking Lucic. If you're giving up assets to protect another, make sure you jettison a problem with those assets you're giving up.
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06-07-2021, 04:45 PM
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#13042
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald
Which is exactly why the Flames should work out a deal that has Seattle taking Lucic. If you're giving up assets to protect another, make sure you jettison a problem with those assets you're giving up.
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Why pay Seattle at all? Just let them take one of Lucic, Gio, or Backlund. At this point I dont think it really affects our potential to win measurably whichever of these guys go in the draft.
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06-07-2021, 04:46 PM
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#13043
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahammer
Why pay Seattle at all? Just let them take one of Lucic, Gio, or Backlund. At this point I dont think it really affects our potential to win measurably whichever of these guys go in the draft.
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Yeah those guys are exactly the same lol
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06-07-2021, 04:48 PM
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#13044
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Yeah those guys are exactly the same lol
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All aged vets making 5m+
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06-07-2021, 04:52 PM
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#13045
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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If cap floor is an issue at all (which I’m not sold on) Lucic is actually good value for Seattle. His cap hit is $6M but next year his signing bonus is $3M and his salary is only $1M. I’m not sure of timing but if the Flames pay the former, it’s a cheap way to get to the floor. Even after that he only costs $5 and 4M respectively and he has an LNTC clause kicking in, so Seattle might be able to trade him as a relatively cheap TDL add to someone, because his bonus works in a similar way.
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06-07-2021, 04:53 PM
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#13046
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
I think the way that deal would work is the Flames asking Francis if he had the choice between Backlund and Giordano who would he take? If he says he would want Backlund then the Flames could potentially make a deal to acquire a forward from another team and protect that player while exposing Backlund which results in him being picked and Gio being “protected” as a result
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I guess you're basically trading him Backlund at that point. I'd want something back for that.
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06-07-2021, 04:53 PM
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#13047
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
All aged vets making 5m+
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Lucic only makes $5M, 4M and 5M cash in the next three years, $750K of which is paid by the Oilers.
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06-07-2021, 04:53 PM
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#13048
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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What are we talking about really here though... We want to make changes? Obviously that is related to total lack of playoff success right?
Well, out of those three Lucic performs the best, measurably, in the playoffs. Not only for the flames but of course over their careers.
Gio was horrible in the playoffs last year. Terrible.
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06-07-2021, 04:57 PM
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#13049
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Lucic only makes $5M, 4M and 5M cash in the next three years, $750K of which is paid by the Oilers.
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Lucic only has 2 years left..
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06-07-2021, 04:59 PM
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#13050
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
Lucic only has 2 years left..
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My bad. $5M and $4m. I was looking at the wrong columns. Still a lower cash deal than cap hit, especially next year if they take him after bonus is paid.
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06-07-2021, 06:15 PM
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#13051
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SeanCharles
He has a 10 team trade list so yea I can see that there are limitations but that doesn’t mean there are no interested suitors that he has on his list. It’s not impossible to trade the guy..
If you are advocating the trade returns that have been thrown around for Monahan (not saying you are - just saying) the limits on a return for Backlund should be palatable.
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Not hard for him to game it to locations that are pleasant, have a good chance of winning, and a low chance of wanting to make a deal for him based on their depth charts:
TBL
VGK
PIT
SJ
ANA
LAK
PHI
TOR
EDM (if he's feeling brave and/or doesn't want to move far)
WPG
or NAS/DAL/COL
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06-07-2021, 06:24 PM
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#13052
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
True but if Francis really wants to put the screws to his peers he can do that and it may make business difficult to complete in the future.
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Since when is Francis putting the screws to Calgary simply because he wants to wait to see the full compliment of players available before he decides on his selection?
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06-07-2021, 06:29 PM
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#13053
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
If cap floor is an issue at all (which I’m not sold on) Lucic is actually good value for Seattle. His cap hit is $6M but next year his signing bonus is $3M and his salary is only $1M. I’m not sure of timing but if the Flames pay the former, it’s a cheap way to get to the floor. Even after that he only costs $5 and 4M respectively and he has an LNTC clause kicking in, so Seattle might be able to trade him as a relatively cheap TDL add to someone, because his bonus works in a similar way.
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No one is taking Lucic for free, the cost is likely at least a first round pick.
There lots of players with high cap hits who play at a better level than Lucic. Seattle will have zero problem hitting the cap floor and will do so collecting as many assets as possible.
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06-07-2021, 06:33 PM
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#13054
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA/Scottsdale, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Or Laine and Roslovic for Dubois!
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Who knew Roslovic was the best player in that deal?
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06-07-2021, 06:37 PM
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#13055
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cobra
No one is taking Lucic for free, the cost is likely at least a first round pick.
There lots of players with high cap hits who play at a better level than Lucic. Seattle will have zero problem hitting the cap floor and will do so collecting as many assets as possible.
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Oh, I’ve never thought the floor was an issue, but there are those who mention it all the time. Really, a few $3M contracts solves it.
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06-07-2021, 07:34 PM
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#13056
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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06-07-2021, 07:41 PM
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#13057
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Missed a lot of 19-20 with severe migraine disorder. Calgary likely not a good destination!
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06-07-2021, 07:42 PM
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#13058
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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The market is a second and a prospect.
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06-07-2021, 07:45 PM
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#13059
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Franchise Player
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From the link:
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“The reason Nolan Patrick switched agents is because he is going to request a trade,” said SanFilippo on the Crossing Broad podcast. “Nolan Patrick does not want to be here anymore; he doesn’t like the criticism that he’s facing, he doesn’t like the spotlight that’s on him, he doesn’t like the coach, at all."
“I don’t think Nolan Patrick wants to be here.”
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06-07-2021, 07:45 PM
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#13060
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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Oilers 3rd & Emil Heineman for Patrick
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k im just not going to respond to your #### anymore because i have better things to do like #### my model girlfriend rather then try to convince people like you of commonly held hockey knowledge.
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