OT- Flames Showcasing Women on the Jumbotron (Split from Oilers Security Thread)

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I see the point the feminist movement in this thread is making, and it is valid.

But at the same time, the majority of hockey fans are men, not women- so you end up targetting the largest segment.

And that makes it okay? Shouldn't you be trying to get new fans to be repeat fans? You already know the majority of male fans are going to come back...

Didn't we have this discussion in the Jessica Simpson thread? In Canada you don't need sex to sell hockey. So why do you need sex to entertain the fans at the dome?

[ken0042]

So, here's my question for everybody concerned about seeing two women kiss on the jumbotron: how much more does the smooch cam show 2 women as opposed to two men? I would say they more often show two men as opposed to two women. They've put me on the smooch cam twice over the years with a buddy; both times at least one of us was wearing an opposing jersey though.

As for them showcasing women; Saturday was the first time this season they did the "Pretty Women" bit; that is out of the 25 or so games I've been to. Is it so bad that they have that instead of another lame contest with Steve Strachan? (I say lame because the person seems to always win the prize; even if they got lost the contest.)

[corporatejay]

it's also that they show the girls on there for minutes and then every guy is like "awwwww yeah..woohoo" then they kiss and it's like "oh baby, woo, aww yeah, two chicks *high fives friend* this is sweet".

It's so barbaric and ridiculous, I'm sorry, I like "hot women" I find it especially uncomfortable when I'm with a female friend/Fiancee since they are clearly uncomfortable with it. Like I said, I just find it super lame, in the years I've been going to the dome I have never once seen them put up a "hot dude" instead they get 6 fat guys with FLAMES on their chest . :P

how many times have two men kissed? how many times was it done sexually instead of a joke.......which is a whole other debate in themselves.

And it has nothing with being gay and everything with the context, I'm all for "hot chicks" and "bootylicious babes" and two girls making out to show their affection, it's just the venue and the context I have a problem with.

I'm not a prude,I just think there are better alternatives.

And tank tops aren't skany, but titty tank tops in feb are.

[mykalberta]

This thread is useless without pics or video.

MYK

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by FireFly

And that makes it okay? Shouldn't you be trying to get new fans to be repeat fans? You already know the majority of male fans are going to come back...

Didn't we have this discussion in the Jessica Simpson thread? In Canada you don't need sex to sell hockey. So why do you need sex to entertain the fans at the dome?

I think its just sad that the "Beautiful Winter game" needs to reduce itself to loud music, girls in "titty tank tops" (nice one), and wacky stunts in order to keep people entertained. Can't people just watch hockey for hockey, or do we truly need a hundred other things going on?

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

Can't people just watch hockey for hockey, or do we truly need a hundred other things going on?

I think you have a valid point; in theory though. Yes, these last 2 seasons have been sell outs and would have been sell outs without these antics. I recall around 1990 coming to Calgary and finding getting a seat in the Dome as hard as it is now.

However by the late 90's it became too easy to get tickets; and the Flames even once mentioned a number of seats they had to sell to ensure the team would stick around. Now fortunately that situation no longer exists, and there is still a waiting list for tickets.

When I checked last season, the waiting list was around 3000 people. It is now under 1000. Once the waiting list is gone, and once the Flames have a non-playoff season, we will be back to under sellout conditions. So at that point, if we continue with these cheesey non-hockey events, we may be able to increase the entertainment value for the fans who are less ravenous than you or me.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I think its just sad that the "Beautiful Winter game" needs to reduce itself to loud music, girls in "titty tank tops" (nice one), and wacky stunts in order to keep people entertained. Can't people just watch hockey for hockey, or do we truly need a hundred other things going on?

I don't get what the problem is...........Most of the stuff is very good.......... people like watching the "wacky stuff" in between the periods.

As for the Girls on the Jumbo tron.... I have been at allot of games and this has been blown way out of portion.......... I have never seen a girl flash on the jumbo tron........... as for girls kissing each other that happens very rarely..... as for girls in "tank tops".....once again its done very rarely.

In my opinion people like the Entertainment on the Jumbotron.... I know I do. Most of the time its really well done.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I think you have a valid point; in theory though. Yes, these last 2 seasons have been sell outs and would have been sell outs without these antics. I recall around 1990 coming to Calgary and finding getting a seat in the Dome as hard as it is now.

However by the late 90's it became too easy to get tickets; and the Flames even once mentioned a number of seats they had to sell to ensure the team would stick around. Now fortunately that situation no longer exists, and there is still a waiting list for tickets.

When I checked last season, the waiting list was around 3000 people. It is now under 1000. Once the waiting list is gone, and once the Flames have a non-playoff season, we will be back to under sellout conditions. So at that point, if we continue with these cheesey non-hockey events, we may be able to increase the entertainment value for the fans who are less ravenous than you or me.

Remember allot of folks that are on this board are hard core fans. They do not require the Wacky stuff to stay interested.

There are allot of folks that attend the games that are not hard core fans and they love the wacky stuff. I believe every team in the league does this type of thing.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by flambers

Remember allot of folks that are on this board are hard core fans. They do not require the Wacky stuff to stay interested.

There are allot of folks that attend the games that are not hard core fans and they love the wacky stuff. I believe every team in the league does this type of thing.

I think a lot of people don't like the idea that hockey needs to have flashy lights and shiny things to survive. I don't think that should be anywhere in Canada at the very least. In much of the US, hockey is not part of the culture, so they do need to stoop to those antics to attract people to build a fanbase.

Point is simple, winning teams sell tickets, not "build-a-burger", "smooch cams with women" and fire and ice girls. If the Flames make the playoffs and go for entertaining playoff runs every year, people won't be lamenting the loss of some wacky stuff.

You won't see that level of selling out to the LCD in European Football, or bikini-clad caddies in the PGA, or in things like the CPO... so why does NHL hockey need the spectacle? Or are we really a society with ADD?

[corporatejay]

Let me be clear, I love the loud music and videos to get us pumped. Some of the "segments" are cheesy but they keep me entertained during TV timeouts etc... it's just the girl on the jumbotron thing, I guess because essentially what the camera dude is saying is "isn't she hot, look at the hot girl" like what are we, 13???

anyway, I don't think anything is going to be done every building has these type of things I remember Jim Rome talking about how the Knicks had a "Mexi-Cam" where they would be latino/as on the jumbotron, I don't think it gets worse than that, that is hardly funny.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I think a lot of people don't like the idea that hockey needs to have flashy lights and shiny things to survive. I don't think that should be anywhere in Canada at the very least. In much of the US, hockey is not part of the culture, so they do need to stoop to those antics to attract people to build a fanbase.

Point is simple, winning teams sell tickets, not "build-a-burger", "smooch cams with women" and fire and ice girls. If the Flames make the playoffs and go for entertaining playoff runs every year, people won't be lamenting the loss of some wacky stuff.

You won't see that level of selling out to the LCD in European Football, or bikini-clad caddies in the PGA, or in things like the CPO... so why does NHL hockey need the spectacle? Or are we really a society with ADD?

Give me a break man! Yes, hockey is Canadian and hockey is northern, but your telling me that if the Flames didn't have the things they did, that we wouldn't bitch about it?

There would be threads about how our rink isn't like the Americans and doesn't have fake tits all around us. I'm not sure how you can even debate that, because its true. Every second month a thread begins about how our rink isn't as nice as the rest of the league's, and how our ammenities aren't as good. When I was in Florida last week watching a Penguins game, there were cheerleaders dancing RIGHT next to us. They stayed there the whole game! YES there were all pretty damn hot. Probably just the Dolphin rejects, but still hot. And you know what?

Not too many people noticed. Nobody cared, and most people... (MOST PEOPLE) were watching the hockey game!

I don't see why this is a big deal. Except for, like I said, the rationale from the feminist movement. If they had dancing men on the other side of the rink- I swear to God- nobody would have flinched. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER.

[Superflyer]

OK so so far what I am reading here is that women do not want to see "bimbos" on the jumbotron just girls who are in Flames gear because they went the extra mile and should be show cased and not the ones that show up in jeans and a tank top.

Also that everyone should have fair representation on the jumbotron.

So the first one seems a little discriminitory to me. Show the "true fans" and not the eye candy. hmmmm. I know that when I do look at the jumbotron I see lots of people. Most of them are the busniness types talking on their blackberries try to close a deal and getting mad that the game is interupting that as well as the kids going crazy and the people that have no idea that they are up there and are about half a second from picking their noses.
In fact place a new rule, if you are not decked out in Flames gear you will not get on the tron. Seems right to me.

As for the second point if we want to have fairness on the jumbotron, how about showing cartoons for the kids and how about news and stock updates for the business people in the crowd. Fairness for all.

[troutman]

If you went to 1 or 2 games a year you might find the Dome entertainment amusing.

Those with season tickets have to endure the same stuff every game:

AC/DC songs at least 6 times per game.

The Tim Horton Challenge - who does not already own a coffee maker in Canada? Even if you get it wrong you win.

Black car vs. red car? Why not just flip a coin - that would be just as riveting.

Bingo? Just a cheap trick to get your phone # in the hands of time share tele-marketers.

Pre-game video - only changes about once per month.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I think a lot of people don't like the idea that hockey needs to have flashy lights and shiny things to survive. I don't think that should be anywhere in Canada at the very least. In much of the US, hockey is not part of the culture, so they do need to stoop to those antics to attract people to build a fanbase.

Point is simple, winning teams sell tickets, not "build-a-burger", "smooch cams with women" and fire and ice girls. If the Flames make the playoffs and go for entertaining playoff runs every year, people won't be lamenting the loss of some wacky stuff.

You won't see that level of selling out to the LCD in European Football, or bikini-clad caddies in the PGA, or in things like the CPO... so why does NHL hockey need the spectacle? Or are we really a society with ADD?

Not sure if Hockey in Canada need the "wacky stuff" but I do know my kids love the in between period items, they love the wacky stuff on the Jumbo Tron and they LOVE Harvey.

As for the Smooch Camera....heck I like it.... I always find it funny when they show two Oilers fans.....

If it was a vote I would vote to keep it in.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by troutman

If you went to 1 or 2 games a year you might find the Dome entertainment amusing.

Those with season tickets have to endure the same stuff every game:

AC/DC songs at least 6 times per game.

The Tim Horton Challenge - who does not already own a coffee maker in Canada? Even if you get it wrong you win.

Black car vs. red car? Why not just flip a coin - that would be just as riveting.

Bingo? Just a cheap trick to get your phone # in the hands of time share tele-marketers.

Pre-game video - only changes about once per month.

My kid Hockey Coach won $750 (pick two TV shows and screen looks like a slot machine) at the Thrashers game............. He holds season tickets... I bet if you asked him he would say its great.....

Write a letter if it bugs you so much......

Personally I think its well done.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

I think a lot of people don't like the idea that hockey needs to have flashy lights and shiny things to survive. I don't think that should be anywhere in Canada at the very least. In much of the US, hockey is not part of the culture, so they do need to stoop to those antics to attract people to build a fanbase.

Point is simple, winning teams sell tickets, not "build-a-burger", "smooch cams with women" and fire and ice girls. If the Flames make the playoffs and go for entertaining playoff runs every year, people won't be lamenting the loss of some wacky stuff.

You won't see that level of selling out to the LCD in European Football, or bikini-clad caddies in the PGA, or in things like the CPO... so why does NHL hockey need the spectacle? Or are we really a society with ADD?

Thank you, this is exactly what I've been trying to get across in this thread. Spectacle is the perfect word for all that extra junk, the game should be spectacle enough for people.

Too me all the extra gimmicks are for the people looking for overall entertainment value, they are not passionate fans of the team (or the sport).

The extreme version of this is something like the Superbowl, which is a laughable American farce of an event in my opinion, because the actual sport comes second to the half-time shows, commercials, fireworks, etc.

I guess we are a society with ADD, and its rediculous.

Our game is going down the toilet thanks to the Americanization of it already, and further idiotic antics will cast it to a level below the WWF.

Glad I can at least still watch soccer, a sport that knows how to honour tradition and not insult the intelligence of its true fans.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Give me a break man! Yes, hockey is Canadian and hockey is northern, but your telling me that if the Flames didn't have the things they did, that we wouldn't bitch about it?

There would be threads about how our rink isn't like the Americans and doesn't have fake tits all around us. I'm not sure how you can even debate that, because its true. Every second month a thread begins about how our rink isn't as nice as the rest of the league's, and how our ammenities aren't as good. When I was in Florida last week watching a Penguins game, there were cheerleaders dancing RIGHT next to us. They stayed there the whole game! YES there were all pretty damn hot. Probably just the Dolphin rejects, but still hot. And you know what?

Not too many people noticed. Nobody cared, and most people... (MOST PEOPLE) were watching the hockey game!

I don't see why this is a big deal. Except for, like I said, the rationale from the feminist movement. If they had dancing men on the other side of the rink- I swear to God- nobody would have flinched. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER.

I don't recall a fire and ice girl movement, nor do I hear people complaining that hockey doesn't have cheerleaders... yeah, a few forumers might bring it up, but its not like a couple bored forumers consitutes a lot of complaints. There's also a big difference between wanting a world-class venue which well accomodates 20k fans, and wanting bleach blonde bimbos with fake racks running around in tight tops, coupled with ridiculous sideshow events to keep us "hyped".

Regardless, those things, at least to me, a season ticket holder, wear thin, and do cheapen the game. Maybe for the casual attendee its not that bad, but seeing the same side-junk over and over is annoying.

[Flames09]

Superflyer;788481

OK so so far what I am reading here is that women do not want to see "bimbos" on the jumbotron just girls who are in Flames gear because they went the extra mile and should be show cased and not the ones that show up in jeans and a tank top.

Doesn't it make more sense to show people in Flames gear at a Flames game? instead of people who aren't wearing Flames gear? Sell the product?

Also that everyone should have fair representation on the jumbotron.

So the first one seems a little discriminitory to me. Show the "true fans" and not the eye candy. hmmmm. I know that when I do look at the jumbotron I see lots of people. Most of them are the busniness types talking on their blackberries try to close a deal and getting mad that the game is interupting that as well as the kids going crazy and the people that have no idea that they are up there and are about half a second from picking their noses. In fact place a new rule, if you are not decked out in Flames gear you will not get on the tron. Seems right to me.

Not head to toe in Flames gear a jersey on will do, a Flames t-shirt, but the games I go to it's the girls they think are the prettiest with ZERO Flames gear, make sense to you at a Flames game? No they aren't showing the fans they are using sex to sell. By the way I go to quite a few games and I NEVER see business type people on their blackberries on the Jumbotron I do see them on TV because they have first row in the lowerbowl.

As for the second point if we want to have fairness on the jumbotron, how about showing cartoons for the kids and how about news and stock updates for the business people in the crowd. Fairness for all.

You're at a Flames game and your ability to get on the jumbotron shouldn't be your level of hotness and lack of clothing, when we say we want fairness we mean not just the girls with little clothing get on, how about the girls in the jerseys as well.

[ericschand]

Originally Posted by troutman

I
The Tim Horton Challenge - who does not already own a coffee maker in Canada? Even if you get it wrong you win.

Isn't that the point? The Flames/Saddledome get paid to advertise for
Tim Hortons. Part of that is to give away the prize. No matter what.

Radio does it all the time, how many times do they lose, many times
the DJ's give an all-but-answer hint as to the right answer.

As for women on the jumbotron, what do you expect? It's a hockey
game. A professional sport, known to draw many more men than
women.

If you think hot men will attract more females, email or write
Flames and Saddledome management.

ers