[PST] Quarter Finals: Montreal Canadiens vs. Winnipeg Jets - HABS WIN SERIES 4-0

[GirlySports]

I think we may be over-analyzing this. Why did the refs call it charging and not give a match penalty for intent to injure. I think this is where DOPS will have to go.

21.1 Match Penalty - A match penalty involves the suspension of a player for the balance of the game and the offender shall be ordered to the dressing room immediately. A match penalty shall be imposed on any player who deliberately attempts to injure or who deliberately injures an opponent in any manner

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This is why it's hard to say if it's charging - the definition in the rulebook is circular. He clearly doesn't skate into the hit, he doesn't jump into the hit. Does he "charge an opponent in any manner"? Maybe.

who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner.


Ah, seems textbook to me...he travelled the almost the entire ice surface in a straight line without changing course to make the hit.

[bluejays]

I just seen the hit now. Pretty nasty, and certainly Scheifele had the chance to not drop down for a hit. It looked terrible where Evans body just crumpled to the ground. I think he gets a solid 6 games for a bad hit with no history (that I'm aware of). Sucks for everyone.

[flambers]

Wow, he will most definitely get suspended and my guess it will be more than 5 games.

[Strange Brew]

I do think that Schiefele perhaps realized that the only way he could potentially stop the goal was to skate as fast as he could into the puck carrier. Slowing down to play the puck was never going to work but using the hit as a “brake” allowed him to get there the quickest.

IMO that doesn’t make the hit less dangerous. If he hits him a split second sooner and stops the puck from going in, the player is still just as injured. Still seems to me like he hit his head.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

First, I am not a Jets fan. I don't really have a rooting interest in this series, aside from wanting it to be a sweep for someone - now that Montreal has won Game 1, I want them to win the next 3.

Second, I don't think it was an "innocent, harmless play". It was clearly not harmless. A guy went off on a stretcher. But the people describing what happened are in fantasy land. They're talking about things that did not happen. Which is insane, because there's video evidence of it.

Third, I don't think it was at full speed - If he'd wanted to skate straight into the hit he could have. He stopped skating well before.

Go read the charging rule, and then shut up.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I think he was just close enough that he actually could have made a play on the puck and maybe prevented the goal (albeit unlikely).


Classy by Ehlers - he was right on the spot trying to keep the scrum off Evans and calling for help.

Agree 100%

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

He was absolutely going full speed, hustling hard from his own blue line. Pretty sure most players in the centre of the ice would stop striding around that point in order to stop or turn.

What I meant was he wasn't going as fast as he could - he could have actually got there sooner had he kept striding right up to the point where he turned to deliver the hit. If he'd done so he might have had a better chance of stopping the puck from going in the net, actually, but that's neither here nor there.

He was definitely not moving slowly at the time, I'll certainly agree with that. I also agree that it did seem predatory given that he didn't appear terribly concerned about the puck.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I do think that Schiefele perhaps realized that the only way he could potentially stop the goal was to skate as fast as he could into the puck carrier. Slowing down to play the puck was never going to work but using the hit as a “brake” allowed him to get there the quickest.

IMO that doesn’t make the hit less dangerous. If he hits him a split second sooner and stops the puck from going in, the player is still just as injured. Still seems to me like he hit his head.

If he thought that he’s a dumber player than I thought, because hitting Evans was never going to stop that goal. Diving into the crease stick first maybe deflects it. But Evans was behind the goal line and his stick was already around the net. Hitting him does nothing. And Scheifele doesn’t even try to skat at the net - he glides and braces to make a big punishing hit. He just wants to make Evans sorry for scoring.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

who, as a result of distance traveled, shall violently check an opponent in any manner.


Ah, seems textbook to me...he travelled the almost the entire ice surface in a straight line without changing course to make the hit.

I’m with you. Even if he thought hitting him would prevent a goal, which is a questionable assumption, it is still charging.

[Beatle17]

Does Paul Maurice have a secret camera that shows it was a good hit? Does Schieffle have to fight whomever wants to fight him for eternity because, you know, the CODE? Is Sportsnet setting up to do a round table about how Tkachuk frustrated him and caused him to lose his marbles in the playoffs?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I do think that Schiefele perhaps realized that the only way he could potentially stop the goal was to skate as fast as he could into the puck carrier. Slowing down to play the puck was never going to work but using the hit as a “brake” allowed him to get there the quickest.

The best thing to do to prevent a goal in that scenario would be to keep skating right into the post while trying to lift Evans' stick and bumping him at the same time as the net, dislodging it. The ref might judge that he dislodged it intentionally to prevent an inevitable goal, and award the goal, but that would have been worth a shot.

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Go read the charging rule, and then shut up.

We were just talking about the charging rule. I just quoted it earlier on this page. I assume the reason you missed that is that you cannot, in fact, read. Which is unfortunate for you, but given that you made this post, not surprising. Get bent.

[transplant99]

Yeah it wasnt a hit to the head at all...in fact if this was a guy skating up the ice it would have been a hell of a legal hit, but it wasnt.

Iy was a guy in a vulnerable position who Scheifle decided to lay out after skating about 120 feet as fast as he could but realized he wasnt gonna get there to stop the goal.

League is really in a tough spot here...its not a high or illrgal hit, it is charging and it is against a guy who bent forward.

likely a couple/three games for the egregious charge but beyond that im not sure how you go further. Cant add on because it looked as ugly as it did If they decide it was intent to injure they can add on but man its impossible to really know what a guy was thinking in the moment. perhaps all the scrums they hilited during the panel will come into play as intent....but i know i hate it when people think they can read my mind or what i "really' wanted to have happen.

[GioforPM]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400282451520462852?s=21

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If he thought that he’s a dumber player than I thought, because hitting Evans was never going to stop that goal. Diving into the crease stick first maybe deflects it. But Evans was behind the goal line and his stick was already around the net. Hitting him does nothing. And Scheifele doesn’t even try to skat at the net - he glides and braces to make a big punishing hit. He just wants to make Evans sorry for scoring.

Why would he skate at the net, to knock it loose at full speed? What do you mean? Of course if he hits Evans sooner he doesn’t score.

The argument that he should have played the puck or whatever isn’t relevant. Nor does it really matter if he thought he could have stopped the goal. It doesn’t change what happened.

He wanted to make him sorry for scoring vs. wanting to make a player sorry for playing the puck along the boards? Finishing a check occurs all the time after the puck has gone.

What is egregious here is the distance travelled IMO. A less violent hit and we’re not talking about it. But this was dangerous and should be punished.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Clean to me, not suspension worthy, and just a terribly unfortunate play that resulted in injury. I hope Evans recovers soon. Always crappy seeing guys get injured like this.

Unfortunate implies that the likely outcome of that hit was not what we saw, which is 100% false. The end result of that play / decision by Schiefele was the most likely outcome of that play, it wasn’t bad luck or fortune. That’s what likely happens when you do that to someone.

I would agree it’s debatable what’s been acceptable re:the rules and very debatable what’s been acceptable re:hockey culture. But if you are comfortable with that play, it means you are comfortable with intent to injure as part of the sport (and that has been acceptable in hockey culture in the past). Injuries are going to happen in hockey, and physicality should still be part of the game, but I’m not ok with intentional maiming of people being an acceptable play in hockey at this point.

[TheSquatch]

Clean hit if the rules are different. This is reminding me of the "If Kadri hadn't done something illegal, he wouldn't have even BEEN suspended" argument.

[blender]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Evans should expect his opponents to prevent him from scoring, not put him on a stretcher.

That has always been a dangerous play. Always. You have to protect yourself. It obviously does not make the hit right.

[Strange Brew]

The other crappy is the player was defenseless. Simple as that and at some point, you need to have enough respect for a fellow human not to want to hurt them like that.

[bubbsy]

What a ball-less move by shieffle. Hope he's suspended for the series, and it costs this jets core another wasted year.

Disgusting hit