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Old 06-02-2021, 08:49 PM   #241
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I think it's a really unnecessary, dangerous, a-hole type of hit.

But I struggle to see which part of the rulebook it actually breaks.

But who knows. He could be suspended for the rest of the series. He could be back next game.
I mean in slow motion both Schiefles feet come off the ice. It's a textbook charge
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It’s a mean hit, but I don’t find it dirty.

Scheifele is even gliding as he goes into it. I don’t really like blaming Evans in this situation, but that’s a freaking stupid play by him. Head down wrap around while the Jets are coming back into the zone? So…you’re asking the Jets to just let you tuck it in unchallenged?

It’s a mean friggin hit, but Scheifele is gliding into it, his arm is tucked in…I don’t know.
What the hell is he supposed to do in that situation? "Keeping his head up" is not going to prevent that hit from happening.

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I mean in slow motion both Schiefles feet come off the ice. It's a textbook charge
They come off the ice after the hit. It's almost impossible to keep your feet planted after laying a hit like that.
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It’s a mean hit, but I don’t find it dirty.

Scheifele is even gliding as he goes into it. I don’t really like blaming Evans in this situation, but that’s a freaking stupid play by him. Head down wrap around while the Jets are coming back into the zone? So…you’re asking the Jets to just let you tuck it in unchallenged?

It’s a mean friggin hit, but Scheifele is gliding into it, his arm is tucked in…I don’t know.
Again, every big hit involves a glide before it happens, at least the intentional ones. It’s how the hitter braces for the big hit. It’s how you gather and drive into it.

And, yeah, you wrap that puck in, and don’t think much about getting hit, because a hit won’t stop that goal. Only a block or stick check will.
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I mean in slow motion both Schiefles feet come off the ice. It's a textbook charge
A player's feet will always leave the ice on a big hit just from the force of delivery.

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I mean in slow motion both Schiefles feet come off the ice. It's a textbook charge
Every time there's a controversial big hit someone has to explain physics to people. It's like they just started watching this sport last week.

To be clear: it does not matter whether your feet come off the ice after contact is made. That will happen in EVERY big hit. What is illegal is jumping into a hit - leaving the ice BEFORE contact is made.
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It’s a mean hit, but I don’t find it dirty.

Scheifele is even gliding as he goes into it. I don’t really like blaming Evans in this situation, but that’s a freaking stupid play by him. Head down wrap around while the Jets are coming back into the zone? So…you’re asking the Jets to just let you tuck it in unchallenged?

It’s a mean friggin hit, but Scheifele is gliding into it, his arm is tucked in…I don’t know.
He left his feet. Dirty as it gets
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He left his feet. Dirty as it gets
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Can anyone do a screen capture 38 seconds in the first vid, looks like shoulder lines into his head. https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2021/06/02...-hit-on-evans/
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What the hell is he supposed to do in that situation? "Keeping his head up" is not going to prevent that hit from happening.

This is bull####.

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He did what he chose to do. He scored a goal.

What are the Jets supposed to do? “Oh he has the right of way, it’s his ice”…that’s not how it goes.

Evans should identify that he’s going to get cranked if he does that. Evans made a play, and got smoked.

If there’s a review that shows it’s main point of contact is the head, then yeah - dirty hit, but until I see that review, it’s just a mean hit.
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Completely unnecessary hit. That was head hunting as far as I'm concerned, and I'd imagine he gets a few games for it.
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Every time there's a controversial big hit someone has to explain physics to people. It's like they just started watching this sport last week.

To be clear: it does not matter whether your feet come off the ice after contact is made. That will happen in EVERY big hit. What is illegal is jumping into a hit - leaving the ice BEFORE contact is made.

Other things are illegal.

Suggest you watch some DOPS videos to educate yourself

Or just wait for the DOPS video on this
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I mean he stops skating above the hash marks... I'm not even sure that's charging.
So you’re saying he wasn’t worried about getting to the puck in time???
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Good on Ehlers to prevent the scrum from doing more damage to Evans.
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I think it's a really unnecessary, dangerous, a-hole type of hit.

But I struggle to see which part of the rulebook it actually breaks.

But who knows. He could be suspended for the rest of the series. He could be back next game.

It probably depends on how hurt Evans is.
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He did what he chose to do. He scored a goal.

What are the Jets supposed to do? “Oh he has the right of way, it’s his ice”…that’s not how it goes.

Evans should identify that he’s going to get cranked if he does that. Evans made a play, and got smoked.
The Jets are supposed to try and stop the puck from going in. Scheifele made no attempt to do that.
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Hmm.
I really believe that Evans needs to protect himself better. The game is far from over, and he's pretty trusting to be leaving himself that open in an NHL playoff game. It was not a blind side hit, not a charge, not high (Evans was low and vulnerable by his own doing). The only thing that you can charge Scheifle with is not letting up on a vulnerable player, which is serious. It does have to be said that him cruising back from the hash marks in suggests he was giving up on the play. If so, then the intent is predatory rather than preventing the goal.


I dare not speculate on the wheel of justice.

Hope Evans is OK.

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Every time there's a controversial big hit someone has to explain physics to people. It's like they just started watching this sport last week.

To be clear: it does not matter whether your feet come off the ice after contact is made. That will happen in EVERY big hit. What is illegal is jumping into a hit - leaving the ice BEFORE contact is made.
There's something to be said about throwing yourself into a hit as well. It's not like his feet came inches off the ice, his left foot gets to his own head height.
Schiefle targeted Evans here in a pissed off rage
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The Jets are supposed to try and stop the puck from going in. Scheifele made no attempt to do that.
Hitting is a hockey play you do to separate puck from player.
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Other things are illegal.

Suggest you watch some DOPS videos to educate yourself

Or just wait for the DOPS video on this
First of all, no one should watch anything the DOPS puts out to educate themselves. That will just make you more and more confused.

Second, "other things are illegal"... this is hilarious in light of the fact that you have, on multiple occasions in this thread, just made things up that didn't happen when describing this hit. Now you're vaguely alluding to "other things" that might be illegal about it, because you can't - without, again, making things up - actually explain what was illegal about it.

... Other than arguably charging, which I've consistently said, is maybe right.
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