2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Tocchet also in the running there.

You’d think Boudreau as well, he’s already in the neighborhood with his Hershey team. And they may well also decide to wait for some more post 2021 fallout. Like Torts maybe.

[transplant99]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1397575337639284740

[Vinny01]

Caps will be looking for cap relief or a quantity for quality trade when it comes to Kuznetsov. They have very little space and need to re-sign Ovie

[krynski]

Well, I think I would stay away from Kuznetsov. Too expensive (7.8 mm/yr until 2025). If it meant shipping out Monahan, I'd prefer Monahan to Kuznetsov.

[Toonage]

I saw Montreal mentioned as a good spot for Kuznetsov. They can't currently afford him but yeah that seems like a good fit. They need a C, and that town loves its Russian players and vice versa.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Playing big minutes for Bob would be huge for his development! I hope he does it!

It would be great if a 1-year KHL deal provided development and kept Seattle away from Kylington simply because Seattle would rather have someone for next year.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Change Lindholm to Monny.

They would then change Eichel to Skinner.


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Yup. I'm sure they would try. My opinion is Lindholm is a non-negotiable in a deal for Eichel but the Flames should still try and offer Monahan instead of Lindholm.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I’ve never heard it was down to them. In fact the only Bob connection I’ve heard was articles saying “hey, Drury knows that guy from Colorado”. Someone asked Bob about it at the WCs and he just said “I’m here to coach Latvia”.

Whereas, the Rangers have definitely gone out and got Vegas’ permission to speak to Gallant.

I didn't realize Hartley was coaching Latvia. No wonder they seem to be doing really well. Makes sense now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

I didn't realize Hartley was coaching Latvia. No wonder they seem to be doing really well. Makes sense now.

Does that make Gallant a crappy coach?

Latvia has a team where probably 1/4 are all from one team, Dinamo Riga, which is a pretty good advantage.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Yup. I'm sure they would try. My opinion is Lindholm is a non-negotiable in a deal for Eichel but the Flames should still try and offer Monahan instead of Lindholm.

When Kevyn Adams was hired there was a story that he covets Monahan. So it may not be too far fetched that hed take Monahan in an Eichel deal.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by dammage79

When Kevyn Adams was hired there was a story that he covets Monahan. So it may not be too far fetched that hed take Monahan in an Eichel deal.

Where is this story?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

Yup. I'm sure they would try. My opinion is Lindholm is a non-negotiable in a deal for Eichel but the Flames should still try and offer Monahan instead of Lindholm.

Why bother?

You really think a deal headlined by Monny will be the best they can get?

We are talking about Monny at a time when he is still injured. Once he proves himself healthy and productive, that might be different. But Monny is thought to be someone you need to pair with an elite offensive guy to be effective even when healthy. Not likely the type of guy Buffalo would be looking for as the premium piece coming back.


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[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

When Kevyn Adams was hired there was a story that he covets Monahan. So it may not be too far fetched that hed take Monahan in an Eichel deal.

To the extent that was even true, that was likely some time ago before a Monny fell off the map. I doubt anyone is coveting Monny these days.

Monny was available in a trade after last year and no team bit with enough to entice Calgary. No idea what that might have been. But you’d think a team that coveted someone would have come up with a decent offer.


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[dissentowner]

Not sure if posted before but according to Bruce in Ottawa, the Flames are shopping Monahan. Given the source I would take that with a grain of salt.
https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/...ncy-is-limited

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not sure if posted before but according to Bruce in Ottawa, the Flames are shopping Monahan. Given the source I would take that with a grain of salt.
https://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/...ncy-is-limited

It actually says they are listening to offers. They did the same last year for him and Johnny. And neither were moved.

It does sound like they may be more actively trying to move Monny, as it says they are also looking for a centre. Presumably to replace Monny.

It wouldn't shock me if GM's listened to offers all the time on their players. God way to gauge their value. And you never know, someone may just make you an offer you can't refuse.

I doubt Toronto has any interest in moving Matthews, but there would be an offer out there that would be hard to pass up if it made them a better team. I don't believe anyone is truly untouchable.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames are trading Monahan I have a feeling they will be looking to add a top 6 center in another deal likely for one of Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

Something like:

To Sabres: Tkachuk, 1st 21, 2nd 22, Zary
To Flames: Eichel

To Jackets: Monahan
To Flames: Domi+1st 21 (TBay)

These deals definitely benefit the Flames in their efforts to do a retool. Getting Eichel allows them to add that elite talent they were clearly missing this year and gives them a number 1 C in his prime to move forward with. That deal costs the team the 1st round pick plus prospects so the Flames are able to recoup one of those assets by getting a later 1st in the Monahan deal. Domi is able to bring some of the sandpaper lost by Tlschuk going and his contract expires a year sooner than Monahan so gives the Flames cap flexibility when Gaudreau, and Mangiapane need raises.

Gaudreau-Eichel-?
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Domi
Lucic-Backlund-Dube

Ideally you find the top line RW somewhere but there is an option to put Lindholm in that spot and shift Domi/Dube to the middle.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames are trading Monahan I have a feeling they will be looking to add a top 6 center in another deal likely for one of Tkachuk or Gaudreau.

Something like:

To Sabres: Tkachuk, 1st 21, 2nd 22, Zary
To Flames: Eichel

To Jackets: Monahan
To Flames: Domi+1st 21 (TBay)

These deals definitely benefit the Flames in their efforts to do a retool. Getting Eichel allows them to add that elite talent they were clearly missing this year and gives them a number 1 C in his prime to move forward with. That deal costs the team the 1st round pick plus prospects so the Flames are able to recoup one of those assets by getting a later 1st in the Monahan deal. Domi is able to bring some of the sandpaper lost by Tlschuk going and his contract expires a year sooner than Monahan so gives the Flames cap flexibility when Gaudreau, and Mangiapane need raises.

Gaudreau-Eichel-?
Mangiapane-Lindholm-Domi
Lucic-Backlund-Dube

Ideally you find the top line RW somewhere but there is an option to put Lindholm in that spot and shift Domi/Dube to the middle.

I would rather put mangiapani or Dube in for Zary if possible

I think mang will be pretty expensive after next year

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I would rather put mangiapani or Dube in for Zary if possible

I think mang will be pretty expensive after next year

Giving up Mangiapane instead of Zary in the Eichel deal definitely weakens the Flames over the next few years. I think Mangi scores 25 goals next year and is a key top 6 forward who might have first line upside.

[ComixZone]

Yeah, Mangiapane is a core piece here. Mang is just a fantastic top-6 winger.

I could see Dube rather than Zary, but not Mang.

I’d even be more inclined to have it be Tkachuk and just draft picks. Tkachuk + ‘21 1st + ‘22 1st + ‘21 2nd would be cool to see. At this stage Buffalo has to be thinking of Wright/Bedard, so that could be pretty enticing. Sign Tkachuk long-term and give him the “C”, and then just have oodles of top-end prospects.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Why bother?

You really think a deal headlined by Monny will be the best they can get?

We are talking about Monny at a time when he is still injured. Once he proves himself healthy and productive, that might be different. But Monny is thought to be someone you need to pair with an elite offensive guy to be effective even when healthy. Not likely the type of guy Buffalo would be looking for as the premium piece coming back.


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We agree. I should have been clearer in my post ("non-negotiable from Buffalo's standpoint") in that if I was Buffalo I'd 100% need Lindholm included.

However, I don't think it's outlandish to offer Monahan instead of Lindholm if you are the Flames depending on who else goes back in the deal. Monahan is a 26 year old who has been in the league for 7 years and if you throw out the anomaly years (2018-2019 and this year) he is a ~60pt ~30g center who's 200ft game is just ok. That is how Buffalo will see him. The only question is will Buffalo think a total package that includes Monahan instead of Lindholm is enough. I tend to think not, but it should be explored.