[PST] Preliminary Round/Division semi-final: Lightning vs. Panthers---Bolts win series 4-2

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pathers lost and Bennett was a bone head so lets bash the Flames about something else now

Focus people, Sam Bennett took a penalty in a 4-0 game, on a night that Cam Talbot got his second shutout of the playoffs to force a game 7. Can we talk about how Sam’s boneheaded play, in a 4-0 game, cost his team the game?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sam has arb rights so im not even sure he gets QO'd by Florida.

They either go longer term with him which could be cheaper for them or he tests the market IMO.

Gonna be interesting what they do there...they have an internal cap that they had to blow through this year. Not sure ownership isnt going to purge players moreso than keeping or adding.

I can see your point... Bennett played better than Tkachuk pretty much as soon a he left Calgary. Tkachuk is getting paid 7 M a year (for team protected years) so basically any arbitrator would have to use the 7M x 3 as the low point for Bennett's fair value.

Florida is not going to let one of their top 3 forwards walk for nothing.


In the same line of thinking what will Tkachuk be getting in the UFA market as it must be a pretty sure thing that the Flames won't be giving him a 9M QO.


The non-Flames Bennett would solve a lot of team's problems.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I can see your point... Bennett played better than Tkachuk pretty much as soon a he left Calgary. Tkachuk is getting paid 7 M a year (for team protected years) so basically any arbitrator would have to use the 7M x 3 as the low point for Bennett's fair value.

Florida is not going to let one of their top 3 forwards walk for nothing.


In the same line of thinking what will Tkachuk be getting in the UFA market as it must be a pretty sure thing that the Flames won't be giving him a 9M QO.


The non-Flames Bennett would solve a lot of team's problems.

Yeah....no.

That's not how it works.

If Bennett had 5+ seasons of being among his teams leading scorer, then maybe.

The fact that he has never once hit 30 pts since year 1 kind of squashes that.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah....no.

That's not how it works.

If Bennett had 5+ seasons of being among his teams leading scorer, then maybe.

The fact that he has never once hit 30 pts since year 1 kind of squashes that.

again great point... That would be a mistake to hand out a Tkachuk mega contract based on 1 year's performance where he was clearly in the top 4 or 5 forwards and the 3rd best winger on a team that had 50% of the roster have career seasons.

If it goes to arbitration and Florida does not give him a 5x5 (4 ufa years) what do you think the arbitrator would give him. Keep in mind that the crappy-4th line-Flame-Bennett was getting 2.55 x2

Bennett is coming off his third year in a row where he was in the top 2 or 3 forwards on his team in the playoffs.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Do you think there is any way they can dump Bob?

Serious question cause that has to be the worst contract in the league.

I think it highly unlikely, but it's possible a deal could be worked out for a team desperately in need of a goaltender with lots of cap space. Bobrovsky isn't outright terrible, but he isn't in the top half of the league for starting goaltenders anymore. He'll still give you wins most nights if you play okay in front of him, but more and more he's letting soft goals in.

I look at a few teams that you could make a deal with, but you'll probably have to include a good prospect or a high pick to make a deal.

Detroit Red Wings only have Thomas Greiss signed for this year and he only has 1 year left. They have almost $50 million in cap space for next year and a ton of old UFAs coming off the books (M. Staal, Helm, Filppula, Glendening) who they likely won't re-sign and they don't have a lot of RFAs that would command any large dollars. They have the room for him both at the position and their cap, and they aren't likely to be anywhere near the cap anytime soon. Quite frankly, they may have trouble reaching the floor without a big contract. I think if you offered them a good pick or someone like Denisenko to take Bobrovsky, they may consider it.

The other team that may consider it is Buffalo. Again, over $30 million in cap space heading into next year, but they have some key RFA contracts to work out (Dahlin, Reinhart, Mittlestadt). I know, I know...can you really convince that team to take on another bad contract? Maybe. They currently have nobody signed to start in net or possibly even back up next season. Both Hutton and Ullmark are UFA and I don't know that the club really wants either back, but maybe Ullmark. However, there's just not enough experience or ability in net to make them anywhere near competitive. I think this would be contingent on them moving Eichel for futures. At that point, they would have the room to take on Bobrovsky as long as Florida gave them some assets for a new rebuild without Eichel. It really depends on what they see as their plan going forward.

It isn't going to be easy, but it could be done if the GM sweetens the pot enough. I don't know that they have to even move Bobrovsky this year since they have the room to keep him next year with only a few RFAs to sign. I think they ease Knight into a tandem role with Bob next year and then give him the starting job the following season if he performs well. It would be disastrous to trade Bob this season and rely only on Knight and a journeyman backup to fill the net. Goalies are voodoo. Don't count your chickens before they...blah blah blah. You get the point.

I don't even know that I want them to move Yandle because he's an excellent PP QB and he is passable on the 3rd pair in limited minutes 5 on 5. However, it seems as though the coach hates him and wants him gone. I think they have to find a taker for him this off-season.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Focus people, Sam Bennett took a penalty in a 4-0 game, on a night that Cam Talbot got his second shutout of the playoffs to force a game 7. Can we talk about how Sam’s boneheaded play, in a 4-0 game, cost his team the game?

I don't why all these things can't be true.
- Same had a good series overall, carrying forward his momentum both with the Panthers and as a playoff performer
- He took a very bad penalty in game 1 that changed the complexion of that game specifically. The series looks much different if Florida wins game 1 and shifts the pressure to Tampa
- He took a bad penalty in game 6 that led to a pivotal insurance goal. However, it came at a time when there was still plenty of time for Florida to come back. So while it was a factor in the game, it was far from a deciding factor

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Focus people, Sam Bennett took a penalty in a 4-0 game, on a night that Cam Talbot got his second shutout of the playoffs to force a game 7. Can we talk about how Sam’s boneheaded play, in a 4-0 game, cost his team the game?

What was the score when he took the penalty? What was the momentum like at that time? What was the score after he served the penalty?

It may not have cost the game. Even a gaffe that leads to an OT goal isn’t the sole reason a game gets lots (why were you in OT to begin with, etc.). But it sure didn’t help win the game, did it?

There’s a thread on the Vegas-Wild series, if people want to talk about Talbot.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

again great point... That would be a mistake to hand out a Tkachuk mega contract based on 1 year's performance where he was clearly in the top 4 or 5 forwards and the 3rd best winger on a team that had 50% of the roster have career seasons.

If it goes to arbitration and Florida does not give him a 5x5 (4 ufa years) what do you think the arbitrator would give him. Keep in mind that the crappy-4th line-Flame-Bennett was getting 2.55 x2

Bennett is coming off his third year in a row where he was in the top 2 or 3 forwards on his team in the playoffs.

You are not seriously this daft?

Tkachuks deal was not based on one years performance. It was based on him being the teams 2nd leading scorer since joining the club. It is based on his immeasureable intangibles and what is expected going forward.

His QO might be 9, but that has zero bearing on what a longer term contract has to look like.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Do you think there is any way they can dump Bob?

Serious question cause that has to be the worst contract in the league.

I posted in the big speculation thread something like:

Burns + M Jones for Bob

Vlasic for Yandle

One of those like it and don't like it for both teams deals.


Step 1 has to be to secure their D in the ED, which means getting Yandle to waive or buying him out. A buyout has an ugly 5.4M hit year after next when a Barkov raise would kick in.

Step 2 has to be Barkov extension, as that will inform everything else.


Knight looks like the real deal, but so did Hart. As an NCAA guy his max gp in a year was 33. It's probably safest to keep a platoon until he's due for a raise.

[transplant99]

Bob has a full NMC as well.

If he wants to stay in Miami...he will.

I suspect he signed there with the purpose of doing so.

[GioforPM]

Bob can sit on a beach and collect $10M every year until he’s 37. In a no tax state.