[PST] Preliminary Round/Division semi-final: Jets vs. Oilers---Winniipeg sweeps series 4-0

[Itse]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Its laughably bad. 17 Career playoff games through 6 seasons is even worse.

Ovechkin, who was the black sheep for playoff performance, had 51 playoff games through his first 6 seasons and he was consistently roasted until he finally won a cup.

Put up more points per game too.

As does Draisaitl btw. 27 career playoff points vs. McDavids 22.

However, no one can say out loud that Draisaitl has been the best Oiler in the playoffs, because that would make McDavid look bad.

Sometimes I wonder whether it might be Draisaitl who asks for a trade first. At least McDavid gets to play in his home country.

[CGY12]

Bringing in Bieksa you'd think he would be the guy who would be the outlaw of the group, not towing the company line and calling out others who are force feeding a narrative. That makes for interesting TV and is the foundation of sports shows down south that make them so successful. Its been quite the opposite, comparing McDingus to MJ yesterday was completely ridiculous and he also seems to be trying to hard to be funny. The sportsnet panel has gotten so ridiculous I change the channel regardless of who's playing at the end of each period and set my timer on my phone so I know when I can go back when the game restarts.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by blankall

Trading a star player for depth never works out.

Les Nordiques did very well with trading Lindros.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Its laughably bad. 17 Career playoff games through 6 seasons is even worse.

Ovechkin, who was the black sheep for playoff performance, had 51 playoff games through his first 6 seasons and he was consistently roasted until he finally won a cup.

Its obvious though, McDavid is a sandbagger.

He goes out to get points for himself.

Maybe he thinks thats what is going to help his team, who knows? But all he cares about are his own numbers.

Last week I watched Crosby stand on his own goal-line and clear a puck in a game that his team won by 1 goal. He back-checked like a champ.

Connor McDavid is not the best player in hockey right now, he never has been and he never will be. He is just fast and puts up marshmallow points.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Love Strombo but he was awful on HNIC. If that makes me a dinosaur, I call dibs on being a velociraptor.

Bieksa is generally pretty good but like all things SN, he sucks because it seems like they have a very clear MO to pump the Oilers tires. I posted about this yesterday, i think it is because Oilers are SN property. They have a vested interest in promoting their product. Jets are TSN and so they have no interest in promoting them.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by troutman

Les Nordiques did very well with trading Lindros.

Peter Forsberg was an overseas prospect.... but I dunno if was "depth"... he arguably had a better career than Lindros

[djsFlames]

Why is it so hard to find McDavid loss reaction shots from the bench on Google?!

I can't sift through this whole thread.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Love Strombo but he was awful on HNIC. If that makes me a dinosaur, I call dibs on being a velociraptor.

Bieksa is generally pretty good but like all things SN, he sucks because it seems like they have a very clear MO to pump the Oilers tires. I posted about this yesterday, i think it is because Oilers are SN property. They have a vested interest in promoting their product. Jets are TSN and so they have no interest in promoting them.

Agree to disagree I suppose.

I hate Strombo in almost everything he's ever done. The man is the personification of a hipster doofus.

However, I thought he had the chops to be an excellent HNIC host despite his despicable love of the Habs and his tendency to try and emulate Ron Mclean.

Dont be Ron. That is just the worst.

I thought they didnt give Strombo a fair chance. They should have stuck to their guns on him and they'd have been rewarded.

That being said, I think the future lies with David Amber. He seems like a solid and competent host. I really like him.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by blankall

Trading a star player for depth never works out. The kind of depth the Oilers need you can get from trades and UFA signings. The Oilers are horrendous at both.

Look at the quality of the players the Oilers are trading for:

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/...onton_Oilers/1

With the chance to play with McDavid, how do the Oilers not manage to sign big UFAs?

Self-deprecation is a start aka "the Edmonton tax."

The organization blames the city because, it couldn't possibly be the groupthink entitled culture that Lowe learned from Sather, and perpetuated into Katz for all of eternity.

No. Not that. It's the cold.

Winnipeg could be viewed as a worse city for a highly paid pro athlete, but much like the Jets organization, they're more preoccupied about being themselves. The Jets draft and develop well. I think this is part of why they have their farm team in the city. Familarize players with the city and strengthen connections.

They retain talent, and make it a safe place for them to play, because they know they're not on the top of many players free agent or trade list.

The Oilers have to and frequently do overpay because of the garbage antics of the organization. Look no further than Ryan Smyth or Sheldon Souray. Yeah these players are long since retired, but their agents or who their agents relayed information to are still active.

They offered David Clarkson more money than the Leafs did. He rejected them.

Trades... well that's kind of the same story. I imagine the Dany Heatley fiasco only adds to their insecurity. The team and the fans worry if a player with status will reject them... again.

Add this to horrifying draft pick asset management and you have McDavid spinning his wheels in the swamp of 80's entitlement.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Itse

Put up more points per game too.

As does Draisaitl btw. 27 career playoff points vs. McDavids 22.

However, no one can say out loud that Draisaitl has been the best Oiler in the playoffs, because that would make McDavid look bad.

Sometimes I wonder whether it might be Draisaitl who asks for a trade first. At least McDavid gets to play in his home country.

mavI only has 13 and the other guy only 21

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Locke

Agree to disagree I suppose.

I hate Strombo in almost everything he's ever done. The man is the personification of a hipster doofus.

However, I thought he had the chops to be an excellent HNIC host despite his despicable love of the Habs and his tendency to try and emulate Ron Mclean.

Dont be Ron. That is just the worst.

I thought they didnt give Strombo a fair chance. They should have stuck to their guns on him and they'd have been rewarded.

That being said, I think the future lies with David Amber. He seems like a solid and competent host. I really like him.

Yeah I like David Amber. Strombo took the gig knowing he would get punted, but he did it because he wanted to make hockey and Canadian culture more accessible to more people.

Plus he's a Gen-X Doofus rather than a Hipster.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by troutman

Les Nordiques did very well with trading Lindros.

As an 18 year old, yes.

[tvp2003]

**** McDavid. **** Smith.

I'm no Jets fan but let's give them some credit for doing the job and doing it spectacularly. If you need proof, lets talk about the real star of the series: Connor Hellebuyck: 4-0, 1.60 GAA, 0.950 SV%

Or how the Jets were behind in Games 1, 3 and 4 and came back to win all of them. And how the Jets were without one of their best players in Games 1 and 2 -- and still won.

**** the Oilers.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by troutman

Les Nordiques did very well with trading Lindros.

Yep, Lindros put up 115 in 73

Avs won the cup

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don't really get hate for Smith from a Flames fan. Sure he's not the best teammate but the guy was the only guy to show up for the Flames against Colorado.

I get that he plays for the Oilers, but he played his heart out for the Flames when it mattered.

Not sure why we need to attack the guy personally on his twitter. Let's just laugh at him for being an Oiler. Now if you want to personally attack the HNIC panelists and the CBC for their Oiler cocksucking, go right ahead, they deserve it.

You obviously don't know what he is referencing with that tweet.

Smith was talking #### about "knocking the Flames out of the playoffs" in a post game interview

Coming back at him after a sweep is certainly fair game

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Boreal

You should really listen or read more hockey professionals work if you think Bieksa's competency is "tremendous" at what he does. However, your perspective on George validates the dinosaur thought process of hockey culture. Go check out the Coaches site as a good start.

Strombo was let go because of his big-ticket, which is a fact. We've seen since is a trend to cut costs. Or was Bob McCowan also an abject failure?

Maclean earns more than Strombo did, so that "argument" is out the window along with the FACT ratings were sewering...from the CBC itself

The most recent chapter of Ron MacLean's career would make one heck of a screenplay: a venerable 56-year-old sports broadcaster, beloved by millions, is sidelined from his position by a network seeking a younger face, only to be brought back to salvage its flagging ratings.

Sportsnet confirmed Monday that the veteran broadcaster will replace George Stroumboulopoulos in the main chair of Hockey Night in Canada next season, returning to a role he held for nearly 30 years.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/ron-maclean-...nada-1.3646911


McCowan? What does he have to do with HNIC host duties?

Goalposts moved...check.


So anyone who believes Strombo was a poor fit for his gig as did his employers...is a dinosaur? OK then.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Itse

Put up more points per game too.

As does Draisaitl btw. 27 career playoff points vs. McDavids 22.

However, no one can say out loud that Draisaitl has been the best Oiler in the playoffs, because that would make McDavid look bad.

Sometimes I wonder whether it might be Draisaitl who asks for a trade first. At least McDavid gets to play in his home country.

Remember those 8 year contracts? Half way into them and not much progress. Draisaitl only has 4 years left in Edmonton and McDavid 5 years left. I have to imagine both will put their Edmonton houses up for sale in the last year of their deals.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

on CHED all Tippet can focus on is the Archibald penalty.

The SOLE reason for the losses.

They had no control after that penalty, everything was slanted against them.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The SOLE reason for the losses.

They had no control after that penalty, everything was slanted against them.

Absolutely. They had a 3 goal lead with less than 9 minutes left in the game. Few NHL teams could overcome a 2 minute minor penalty against in that scenario. Simply insurmountable.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Remember those 8 year contracts? Half way into them and not much progress. Draisaitl only has 4 years left in Edmonton and McDavid 5 years left. I have to imagine both will put their Edmonton houses up for sale in the last year of their deals.

Im not sure they both get to the end of their deals myself.

Maybe Holland doesn't have the cajones but if i am in his spot, i look long and hard at trading Leon.

I have to believe he would return 3 solid pieces if he got to market and there is nothing the Oilers need more than depth at every position.

He could easily grab a top 6 C and W along with a top 4D imo. The players wont be elite guys at their positions but all good at what they do.