Johnny Gaudreau - re-sign or trade?

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[DoubleK]

If you can sign him to $7.5Mx5 (+/- 1 year and $0.5M), you do it.

He can have the same NTC he will start this summer in the last few years of the deal if that's what it takes to get him over the top.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

If you can sign him to $7.5Mx5 (+/- 1 year and $0.5M), you do it.

He can have the same NTC he will start this summer in the last few years of the deal if that's what it takes to get him over the top.

If you want to resign Johnny, you’ll likely need to got 7-8 years.

It’s his one chance at UFA.

He will maximize term.


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[Iggy Snipe]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not necessarily.

Trade him for a bad contract that will get you 60 points, a good contract that will get you 50 points, and a promising player that has potential to maybe get to those lofty heights during their career.

Gaudreau + another piece for Voracek, Konecny, and Frost for example.

We're in a better position IMO. We actually pick up production and have a futures player we desperately need. We can be good without rebuilding, the trades just have to be done with intent and use our cap to the max.

I agree, you make a good point. There are so many moving parts/options with Johnnys situation. His value is as high now as its been in a couple years, however its not as high as it was three years ago, when he still had term on his contract. He would need to be dealt to a team who can re sign him to get maximum value for him.

Lets hope Calgary can either re sign him or move him, and get some really good value for him.

As an example of what not to do, TJ Brodie played out his contract and then left, which really hurt us in my opinion. Yes it opened up $$ for Tanev, but we could have traded Brodie for draft picks or a couple of young prospects. I know Treliving tried to move him, but not hard enough.

We let him walk for nothing, and that was a mistake. Whether Treliving thought we were going to go on a deep run or not, TJ's situation needed to be dealt with properly. Calgary could have traded TJ AND signed Tanev.

[Flamesfan05]

I hope they can re sign him. He is the only guy on the team with top talent. You can see it but they need to get him some help. Too easy to shut down if there is nobody else to pick up the offense. Even McDavid can be shut down if there is no help.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I hope they can re sign him. He is the only guy on the team with top talent. You can see it but they need to get him some help. Too easy to shut down if there is nobody else to pick up the offense. Even McDavid can be shut down if there is no help.

I really liked what I saw from him playing with Tkachuk and Lindholm over the last few games. I'm hoping that line can pick up where they left off next year, provided all three of those guys are still with the team. There appears to be some real chemistry there, and you've got 3 legit offensive threats on that line, so the focus from the opposition isn't all on Johnny.

[1qqaaz]

Eric Francis still saying that Gaudreau isn't going to sign in Calgary long term and that he's not worth 8.5.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Eric Francis still saying that Gaudreau isn't going to sign in Calgary long term and that he's not worth 8.5.

Of course he is, even if Gaudreau signs he will still say that. The man's an idiot.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Eric Francis still saying that Gaudreau isn't going to sign in Calgary long term and that he's not worth 8.5.

Francis has been moving goal posts all week trying to save face. The guy doesn’t know anything about hockey. He’s all about old school black and blue hockey. I don’t think he understands the actual objective of the sport.

[oldschoolcalgary]

i am a little frustrated with Johnny... that said, I think he is a great player that is being asked to do too much on a team with a shortage of talent up front.

If he wants to sign for a fair market number, I would lean to that, but as someone mentioned, you have to be able to support him with more talent up front.

if you can't do that, you might as well trade him, as he isn't a Kucherov or Point; he needs to have someone elite (not Monahan) that can take some pressure off of him carrying the puck all the time...

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Francis has been moving goal posts all week trying to save face. The guy doesn’t know anything about hockey. He’s all about old school black and blue hockey. I don’t think he understands the actual objective of the sport.

Good on Pinder too who called Francis out on moving the goal posts this morning. I think at this point, Francis is just digging his heels in on his position even though he probably thinks differently due to being stubborn on this and wanting to stick to his guns because he's been so loud about it for years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Eric Francis still saying that Gaudreau isn't going to sign in Calgary long term and that he's not worth 8.5.

The $8.5 may be right. It would make him the 5th highest paid LW in the league, and two of the higher guys are on contracts their teams regret very very much. 10th place among all wingers, and all the RWs above are significantly better than him.

It’s what Draisaitl makes, and while he’s on a no good team, he is a Hart winner. It’s what Aho makes, and he’s a high end 1C.

I’d like between $7 and 8M and 8 is probably where he ends up.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

i am a little frustrated with Johnny... that said, I think he is a great player that is being asked to do too much on a team with a shortage of talent up front.

If he wants to sign for a fair market number, I would lean to that, but as someone mentioned, you have to be able to support him with more talent up front.

if you can't do that, you might as well trade him, as he isn't a Kucherov or Point; he needs to have someone elite (not Monahan) that can take some pressure off of him carrying the puck all the time...

If the Jets Oilers series taught us anything, it’s that even the McDavid’s and Draisaitl’s of the world need more support. If Mr generational talent himself can’t get it done, why should anyone expect Gaudreau to do the same. The best teams generally win the Cup, not the best individuals. The Flames need more stars, more talent and more depth.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I think if you trade Gaudreau, you may as well trade everybody because your window to compete is securely closed.

I am a Gaudreau booster, but I would trade him and many others.

I can't fathom how a team completely devoid of any high level forward talent outside of him, Lindholm and Tkachuk, can even consider moving a guy who's put up nearly 500 points in 500 games played, and by all accounts, clearly wants to stay here. Unless there is a no brainer type of deal on the table, any 3 of these guys can't be moved unless you're going full tear down.

You need to bring in a new GM who is willing to change direction while committing to the big 3 forwards. Cut bait with dead weight like Monahan, Ryan, Nordstrom, Nesterov, Simon, Leivo and commit to playing guys like Pelletier, Zary, Ruzicka, Philips, Gawdin and Mackey in important roles next season.

This may not get the team over the hump, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

[nik-]

Gaudreau is definitely not worth 8.5

Incredibly skilled, contributes a lot obviously, but is incapable of carrying a team. It's not his fault, he's just not that player and he's been forced to try to do it because this team is flawed.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by nik-

Gaudreau is definitely not worth 8.5

Incredibly skilled, contributes a lot obviously, but is incapable of carrying a team. It's not his fault, he's just not that player and he's been forced to try to do it because this team is flawed.

Dude, McDavid and Draisaitl at $21M just got swept by the Jets in the playoffs. Think about that for a second. If Gaudreau isn’t worth $8.5M, then they’ll probably pay 2 guys $10M+ and they won’t provide half of what Gaudreau can. Oh wait...this has already happened (Brouwer + Neal).

[dammage79]

Building around Gaudreau and a new contract solves none the Flames problems IMO.

People have mentioned it before but Gaudreau is a Kessel. Not a bad thing but definitely not the guy to build around.

I just don't see a successful team build with Gaudreau as the centerpiece. His offense is great but it doesn't balance out the net negatives to the rest of the game. Especially when he is a choose his own adventure type in Flames zone.

Its a 5 man unit and they play as a 4 man unit 75 percent of the time Johnnys on the ice. And when he is in good defensive positioning, most of the time its half hearted efforts and he knows he cannot physically compete for pucks so he flutters off.

I guess what i am saying is, his overall game is so incomplete that his mates on the ice have to compensate for it and when he is breaking solo into the offensive zone theyre still trying to catch up and recover from essentially double duty defensively.

Trade him, build another way.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Dude, McDavid and Draisaitl at $21M just got swept by the Jets in the playoffs. Think about that for a second. If Gaudreau isn’t worth $8.5M, then they’ll probably pay 2 guys $10M+ and they won’t provide half of what Gaudreau can. Oh wait...this has already happened (Brouwer + Neal).

The success or failure of the Oilers is irrelevant to what I think my club should do. I don't think we should allow their awful decisions to distract us as a fanbase to our problems.

[Monahammer]

7.15x7 for johnny.
A cool 50 Million and certainty.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Eric Francis still saying that Gaudreau isn't going to sign in Calgary long term and that he's not worth 8.5.

I rather be ok with a 8 year, $100 million Gaudreau contract just so Eric Francis is made to look like an idiot.

In his presser last week, it felt like Gaudreau was politely telling Francis to shut up.