Brad Treliving needs to go - Page 183 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

dino7c · 05-21-2021, 11:28 AM

Ritchie is a way better 4th liner than Lomberg...problem is he was on the 1st line too much.

Lomberg had a career moment, good for him but his team is there because of top players stepping up not because of his 4 points.

Allen Quine has a playoff OT winner

GioforPM · 05-21-2021, 11:29 AM

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Hathaway and Lomberg are guys we desperately need in our bottom 6, not these other plugs he keeps signing every fcking year. Ridiculous

Hathaway needed $2M to stay here, reportedly.

Lomberg had 4 points, less than any Calgary forward who played 12 games or more. Ritchie doubled him in goals and assists. Nordstrom had 7 points. really, of the plugs signed this year, only Simon had less and he played only 11 games.

1qqaaz · 05-21-2021, 11:39 AM

I agree that with those that say the core forwards aren't old.
But actually, the Flames do have a lot of money tied up to players who are over 30. Way too much. Moreso than even most contenders.

Calgary:
-Ryan: 3.125 mill
-Lucic: 5.25 mill
-Froese: 750k
-Backlund: 5.350 mill
-Gio: 6.75 mill
-Tanev: 4.5 mill
-Markstrom: 6 mill
-Brouwer: 1.5 mill
-Stone: 1.866 mill total
= 35 mill Lucic, Tanev, Backlund and Markstrom all go beyond next year

Carolina:
-Shore: 700k
-Staal: 6 mill
-Gardiner: 4.050 mil
-Rheimer: 3.4 mill
-Semin: 2.333 mill
= 16.5 mill Only Gardiner and Staal go beyond next year
Almost every other player on the team is underpaid.

Colorado:
-Kadri: 4.5 mill
-Bellemare: 1.8 mill
-Soderberg: 1 mill
-Megna: 700k
-Dubnyk: 2.166 mill
-Calvert: 2.850 mill
-Johnson: 6 mill
-Francouz: 2 mill
-Cole: 800k
= 21.8 mill All over-30 roster players are up after a year except Johnson (and he's on LTIR)

But it's not that bad. If you want to see bad, look at San Jose.
-Couture: 8 mill
-Marleau: 700k
-Karlsson: 11.5 mill
-Burns: 8 mill
-Vlasic: 7 mill
-Jones: 5.750 mill
-Folino: 1.3750 mill
= 42.325 mill Couture, Karlsson, Burns, Vlasic and Jones pretty much all have a lot of term left.

Sure, the Flames core forwards aren't old. But the team simply can't contend because too much money is tied up to veterans that aren't elite. There's no money to pay bottom 6 forwards that can actually produce. There's no space to sign an offensive defensemen or a top 6 RW. And worst of all, there's no space to give players like Andrew Mangiapane the long (and potentially cap-friendly) extensions that they deserve.
Most of the Flames older players also have quite a bit of term left. It's not a good situation to be in.

These teams have clearly been built differently. I was hoping Treliving would learn from his mistakes, but it doesn't look like he has. At least not in terms of cap management and UFA signings.

Erick Estrada · 05-21-2021, 11:42 AM

LOL are fans really pining for Ryan frikking Lomberg? I get that the season sucked but some of this talk is getting silly.

Stanley · 05-21-2021, 11:42 AM

Well, I think Hathaway and Reider at the very least would have been miles better than these other plugs like Simon, Nordstrom (altho I've liked his effort)...

GioforPM · 05-21-2021, 11:42 AM

^^ take Ryan off your list. He's no longer on the books. Froese and Stone as well, FWIW

GioforPM · 05-21-2021, 11:52 AM

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Well, I think Hathaway and Reider at the very least would have been miles better than these other plugs like Simon, Nordstrom (altho I've liked his effort)...

Reider = Nordstrom IMO. Exactly equal in games and points this year. I actually think Nordstrom is better 5 on 5, just snakebit/has no scoring touch. Much more physical, a better forechecker and complementary with Backlund/Ryan. Reider was a good PKer (like Nordstrom) but otherwise not as energetic enough to be effective in his role. Nordstrom was 4th on the team in hits.

VladtheImpaler · 05-21-2021, 12:06 PM

FWIW, Seravalli (sp?) says he thinks Treliving is out.

Vinny01 · 05-21-2021, 12:08 PM

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FWIW, Seravalli (sp?) says he thinks Treliving is out.

Where did you hear/see that?

VladtheImpaler · 05-21-2021, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Where did you hear/see that?

On his podcast. The FAN reported it around 11 this morning.

Stanley · 05-21-2021, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

Reider = Nordstrom IMO. Exactly equal in games and points this year. I actually think Nordstrom is better 5 on 5, just snakebit/has no scoring touch. Much more physical, a better forechecker and complementary with Backlund/Ryan. Reider was a good PKer (like Nordstrom) but otherwise not as energetic enough to be effective in his role. Nordstrom was 4th on the team in hits.

well damn....i guess not miles ahead then

GioforPM · 05-21-2021, 12:17 PM

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well damn....i guess not miles ahead then

I actually liked Reider too. I wasn't sure why he couldn't be kept at the same price but at the end of the day it didn't matter at all.

Stanley · 05-21-2021, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I actually liked Reider too. I wasn't sure why he couldn't be kept at the same price but at the end of the day it didn't matter at all.

I was surprised he wasn't kept at that price too. Not a big deal but still, I really liked his speed/PK, but I do agree I have liked Nordstrom physicality/forecheck

Erick Estrada · 05-21-2021, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

I actually liked Reider too. I wasn't sure why he couldn't be kept at the same price but at the end of the day it didn't matter at all.

Teams are constantly trying to improve their bottom 6 as you can fill a few spots with free agents on the cheap and when you are dealing with players of this pedigree it's pretty hit and miss. Some years you may get lucky and some you may not. Reider had 10 points in 55 games with the Flames and 7 points in 44 with the Sabres this season which isn't particularly noteworthy. I don't think Nordstrom made the Flames better but I'm not sure that Reider would have made a difference.

Jiri Hrdina · 05-21-2021, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

LOL are fans really pining for Ryan frikking Lomberg? I get that the season sucked but some of this talk is getting silly.

Almost every thread is coming back around to why the Flames suck, even those not about the Flames.
It's honestly making this forum really unreadable right now.
I know people are frustrated but the hyperbole, over-reaction and making everything about the Flames sucking is becoming too much.

At least in my view.
I would rather have interesting discussions about what could happen instead of the wallowing in negativity.

Erick Estrada · 05-21-2021, 12:33 PM

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At least in my view.
I would rather have interesting discussions about what could happen instead of the wallowing in negativity.

Yeah I've already moved on. The 2021 season is dead to me. Focusing on the changes going forward in hopes of better things as always.

GranteedEV · 05-21-2021, 01:08 PM

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Reider = Nordstrom IMO. Exactly equal in games and points this year. I actually think Nordstrom is better 5 on 5, just snakebit/has no scoring touch. Much more physical, a better forechecker and complementary with Backlund/Ryan. Reider was a good PKer (like Nordstrom) but otherwise not as energetic enough to be effective in his role. Nordstrom was 4th on the team in hits.

Let's be real, Nordstrom is an AHL talent. at least Tobias Reider can score shorthanded goals and use his immense speed to generate zone entries.

As for hits... hits are meaningless.

Classic_Sniper · 05-21-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Let's be real, Nordstrom is an AHL talent. at least Tobias Reider can score shorthanded goals and use his immense speed to generate zone entries.

As for hits... hits are meaningless.

I agree, I was a big fan of Reider in training camp and was glad the Flames signed him as a PTO. His puck skills were pretty underrated and his playoff performance alone should’ve garnered another contract. I’d take him and/or Derek Ryan back in a heartbeat.

neo45 · 05-21-2021, 01:23 PM

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Hathaway needed $2M to stay here, reportedly.

Lomberg had 4 points, less than any Calgary forward who played 12 games or more. Ritchie doubled him in goals and assists. Nordstrom had 7 points. really, of the plugs signed this year, only Simon had less and he played only 11 games.

Hathaway is easily worth that (although I didn’t see that number reported anywhere personally)

Treliving also waived him like three times to make room for Tanner Glass and company so I think he’s yet another example of a good player Treliving literally had on his own team and couldn’t recognize it

GioforPM · 05-21-2021, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Let's be real, Nordstrom is an AHL talent. at least Tobias Reider can score shorthanded goals and use his immense speed to generate zone entries.

As for hits... hits are meaningless.

Nordstrom is almost as fast. Shorties? Reider has no shorthanded goals this year, and last year he had one with Calgary. It was his first in 4 years. He only had more than one once - his rookie year (and 2 came in one game against Edmonton).