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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

recap plz?

Nothing really new. He thinks it was a good team that underachieved. Says that and then says while he thinks it’s good but not good enough so changes need to be made.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

Treliving is on the Fan960 right now.

I’m listening. Lots of words, little of substance or insight.

That little comment implying expectations for the team in light of what Darryl said about them expected to be fighting for the 4th playoff spot and said he knows a bit more about the team due to his length working with them was interesting

[GioforPM]

As long as it can't make the injury worse, and as long as it's not a net detriment on ice, I'm OK with Tanev playing - it's up to him. Clearly it wasn't a net detriment on the ice.
Did any of you all notice a drop in his play, and if so, was the effect such that he was
a net negative on the ice?

Though I have to think it's only so he could prove he can do it, and make it through a whole season.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Tanev playing through broken ribs and "extreme pain" for two months should be a fireable offense for whoever was responsible.

That can't be allowed to happen. Incredibly reckless.

Take it easy ...

NHL players have agents, and clubs have doctors. It's an assessment as to what additional damage can be done, and if it's deemed it's just playing through pain without a risk of further injury it's likely up to the player to a large degree.

Tanev wasn't dragged to the ice every night by Sutter and Treliving. When he got hurt his agent would be involved.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Are you really trying to make a case for Tanev playing in the final 4 games?

Me? No.

Tanev made his own case. Clearly he was medically cleared to play, wanted to play...so he played.

Happens on every team, every year, at every professional level and believe it or not, in almost every contact sport.

This is nothing new.

I mean one of the most famous stories in Stanley cup history is Bobby Baun coming back into a game to score the cup winning goal..after his leg was broken.

[Burning Beard]

Boy for how much CP complains about this core being soft it sure seems like a lot of projecting with how much complaining about every little thing is going on today.

People on here always say the core is too soft (I agree) and the Flames bring in a heart and soul dman who is such a warrior he plays through injuries and people complain that he does the same thing he is known to have always done.

So we want a hard, mean and tough core but also want to shut down those players at the first sign of injury without letting them have any say if they play or not?

I took a break from Flames hockey during the last year of Gulutzan and came back being able to not sweat the small stuff. It has been a refreshing change for me personally.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

recap plz?

Mostly echoing what he said in the presser.

Felt the team was good enough to be a playoff team but underperformed. Does not think the team is good enough to go all the way.

Pat asked about changing the core, Treliving believes that this is the first time during his tenure that the core needs to be looked at. Added his caveats about not making change for the sake of change and the difficulty of getting good players back.

Talked about the players brought in to fill roles but they didn’t pan out.

Team will talk with Gaudreau about extension but contact has to make sense for both sides. Nothing major here.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Navigating through this. Finding a way to make our team better. What we started today and will continue through the off season. Yawn.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Have to make tough decisions and have to expose players you don’t want to. Will go through that process (process mention: drink)

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Do you think always crapping on his linemates is defending Johnny/ Have you ever picked up a hint from Johnny that he would ever do that to his linemates ever

Yes, you want Johnny to play with the best players on the team. What hockey coach hasn't heard that from every father that has a kid in minor hockey

You are creating your own situation if you ask me.

People that you see as "haters" only see you in return as someone that points the figure elsewhere. The team drastically sucked a$$ and every single player is to blame and could have been better. Johnny is a top player and leader on this team. Do you think he would crap on his linemates as much as you have. Especially one that was playing in pain

People are not Johnny haters, because they don't share your opinion IMO

Yes, I understand your point, but the knife generally has to fall on someone doesn't it? Look at all the fire coach threads, the fire GM threads, the ownership is cheap threads, the trade this guy or expose that guy threads. There's a ton of this going on all the time, all day everyday...and for myself, I have my own opinion as well and I felt there was far far far too much of Gaudreau's name out there.

Blaming the team's best star players is in my opinion, the biggest reason why Canada hasn't won a Cup since 1993. It's also the same reason why every Canadian market appears so often on NTC and NMC lists. Then we end up getting a lot of second tier UFAs by overpaying which ultimately hurts the cause further. But anyways, I digress.

I get, it's a team game. We can all say that everyone failed because you win or lose as a team, but that's not really a solution. The entire team can't be fired. You have to take what was good and move forward with that and remove the deadweight. That's where this team is at right now. There's not a lot of margin for error anymore, so tough decisions have to be made and thus, tough conversations have to be had, even if it does end up sounding harsh.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by redforever

I don't think that equates to the present situation. The Flames could not afford to keep MacInnis or many of the other Stanley Cup Flames as at that time, there was a huge discrepancy between Canadian and US salaries..in fact, Calgary almost lost the Flames.

I think Fleury was traded because of his off ice problems.

IIRC, the Flames realized that the rising contract costs meant they'd have to lose one of Suter or MacInnis when their contracts came up for renewal. They traded Suter because they knew they'd have to pay a lot to keep MacInnis, who was the better player. But when the MacInnis camp asked for around $3M/yr, the Flames chose not to pay that, and traded him. Within a year it became obvious that amount would have been a bargain. They should have stuck to the original plan and instead they lost both, even though Phil Housley played well for the Flames.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Me? No.

Tanev made his own case. Clearly he was medically cleared to play, wanted to play...so he played.

Happens on every team, every year, at every professional level and believe it or not, in almost every contact sport.

This is nothing new.

I mean one of the most famous stories in Stanley cup history is Bobby Baun coming back into a game to score the cup winning goal..after his leg was broken.

No one said it was anything new. You're creating a strawman there.

What is being said, is that the team has to catch up with the times, and part of that includes resting players who need rest. No team had fewer man games lost this year:



The fact that the Flames had the "most" guys play through injuries accomplished absolutely nothing, other than probably reducing their performance or increasing their painkiller usage.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Thanks after the clouds clear there are positives. Mentioned Rasmus Anderson’s emergence and how he took big steps

Thinks he has a top goaltender in the league just entering the prime of his career

Talked about Mang 5 on 5

And Dube took strides


So…
1 for 4?

[Wastedyouth]

Weird, sentiment around here is Gaudreau is good as gone.

Didn't sound so certain today.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Thanks after the clouds clear there are positives. Mentioned Rasmus Anderson’s emergence and how he took big steps

Thinks he has a top goaltender in the league just entering the prime of his career

Talked about Mang 5 on 5

And Dube took strides


So…
1 for 4?

He really said the bolded? What the hell is he talking about?

[Two Fivenagame]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Thanks after the clouds clear there are positives. Mentioned Rasmus Anderson’s emergence and how he took big steps

Thinks he has a top goaltender in the league just entering the prime of his career

Talked about Mang 5 on 5

And Dube took strides


So…
1 for 4?

What a joke. How does this GM still have a job?

No wonder the players underperform, they can't stand playing for BT.

They've been underperforming for the last 3-5 years. If there was ever any proof that BT thinks too highly of this tire fire of a roster, it's this interview.

BT=NG

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

...or increasing their painkiller usage.

I feel like one should always increase their usage of Painkiller.

Spoiler!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

He really said the bolded? What the hell is he talking about?

Yes, said he moved from bottom 6 to top pairing, and is a top 4 D man in this league any day

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Take it easy ...

NHL players have agents, and clubs have doctors. It's an assessment as to what additional damage can be done, and if it's deemed it's just playing through pain without a risk of further injury it's likely up to the player to a large degree.

Tanev wasn't dragged to the ice every night by Sutter and Treliving. When he got hurt his agent would be involved.

Nah, this is just another reason we need Eichel. His medical advice would be invaluable!

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

Mostly echoing what he said in the presser.

Felt the team was good enough to be a playoff team but underperformed. Does not think the team is good enough to go all the way.

Pat asked about changing the core, Treliving believes that this is the first time during his tenure that the core needs to be looked at. Added his caveats about not making change for the sake of change and the difficulty of getting good players back.

Talked about the players brought in to fill roles but they didn’t pan out.

Team will talk with Gaudreau about extension but contact has to make sense for both sides. Nothing major here.

Not a good look that the core was never in question. That's another example of that "entitlement" Darryl Sutter was talking about. Don't just give the inmates the keys to the Asylum. You have to constantly be evaluating. It's probably the reason why the Neal's and the Brouwer's were signed and why they ultimately didn't work out as well. The core group wasn't good enough to elevate these guys because a lot of the core wasn't that good to begin with.