[PGT] Flames 6 Canucks 5

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Imagine an NHL head coach trying to win!

Yup. Will look absolutely brilliant if, say, Markham gets hurt in a nothing game, (playing his, what 14th straight start, to boot).

There's ZERO justifications for how the team has been managed since being eliminated.

[dino7c]

Flames have hardly played though. Not much of a workload for Markstrom. I'm guessing the backup gets one of the final two.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Imagine an NHL head coach trying to win!

Whoever was trying to win, did a real bad job last night

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Locke

Hm. I think you're not looking at it within the context of the entire game, let alone the season as a whole.

Sure, their effort was 'enough to win.' Against a terrible opponent and even then just barely, in overtime (which is a crapshoot) and papers over the fact that they blew a 4-goal lead in the 3rd period.

Somehow I'm skeptical that Sutter sauntered into the dressing room afterwards issuing high-fives and proclaiming:

"Great game boys! You did just enough to win!!"

This is also true.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Who said they did? I don't think the Oilers, Jets, or Habs do either

Fact is if the Flames won one or two more games...or the game against Montreal that they hit four posts and lost by a goal they would be in.

They were certainly in it considering how bad Montreal was...they needed one more win FFS to say they were out of it is being obtuse.

Its true they are better off not making it but that doesn't change the facts they were one win away from making the playoffs as it was setup this season.

You're missing the point. The Flames showed their true colors in Ottawa. They proved that they weren't going to win the games they needed to win, regardless of how bad Montreal s*at the bed down the stretch. And oh boy did they s*it the bed down the stretch. They kept the illusion of the Flames being in the playoff race going a lot longer than it ever realistically was.

Barely squeaking into the playoffs in the weakest division in hockey is nothing to write home about. Missing the playoffs in said division is downright embarrassing. The Leafs are going to pump the Habs, and would have done the same to the Flames if they had got in by some miracle.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

You're missing the point. The Flames showed their true colors in Ottawa. They proved that they weren't going to win the games they needed to win, regardless of how bad Montreal s*at the bed down the stretch. And oh boy did they s*it the bed down the stretch. They kept the illusion of the Flames being in the playoff race going a lot longer than it ever realistically was.

Barely squeaking into the playoffs in the weakest division in hockey is nothing to write home about. Missing the playoffs in said division is downright embarrassing. The Leafs are going to pump the Habs, and would have done the same to the Flames if they had got in by some miracle.

FFS who is saying it is

Fact is Flames will be one or two wins short...they weren't out of it 2 months ago. Its about math not bias and I told you so's.

MATH

Anyway if you guys want to keep thinking the Flames were out of the playoffs with the 6OA pick and then ran the table but still missed the playoffs just so you can be miserable then go for it. That isn't what happened though.

Not once have I or anyone else I know of on CP said the Flames were good enough and shouldn't major changes. Heck the Flames are better off missing the playoffs if we are being honest but that doesn't change the MATH that they were totally in the race until a few days back.

Heck Montreal had a couple pretty fortunate comebacks...Koskinen anyone?

[Mathgod]

Mathematically yes, realistically no. I have been very clear about the difference between those two.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Athletes are wired to play to win?!! Did y'all even watch this season?

Our guys only play to win when there's no competition.

All athletes play to win. There's a difference between wanting to win and doing whatever it takes to win.

With the Flames I think there were too many nights where they just expected to win no matter how hard they worked. If they had a good start they figured they could just coast the rest of the way or if they didn't they figured things would just work out until the final 5-10 minutes when they finally got desperate but it was too late.

Too many passengers.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Mathematically yes, realistically no. I have been very clear about the difference between those two.

If you are suggesting they couldn't have picked up one more win...okay that is your take I guess

I think the 4 post game in Montreal could have gone either way but that's just me.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

FFS who is saying it is

Fact is Flames will be one or two wins short...they weren't out of it 2 months ago. Its about math not bias and I told you so's.

MATH

Anyway if you guys want to keep thinking the Flames were out of the playoffs with the 6OA pick and then ran the table but still missed the playoffs just so you can be miserable then go for it. That isn't what happened though.

Not once have I or anyone else I know of on CP said the Flames were good enough and shouldn't major changes. Heck the Flames are better off missing the playoffs if we are being honest but that doesn't change the MATH that they were totally in the race until a few days back.

Heck Montreal had a couple pretty fortunate comebacks...Koskinen anyone?

You're always moving the goal posts. No one is claiming that, but winning all these games in garbage time is really hurting the potential to get a game changer in this coming draft.

We were pretty comfortably out when we lost the first game to Montreal in that back to back stretch. That left us with, mathematically, the most razor thin of margins. Even if you go back to the mathematical out, we've won 3 games we didn't need to win, tacked on an extra 6 points to our score when it was actually impossible to get into the playoffs. We'd currently be 5th in draft order without those points.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Inferno

All athletes play to win. There's a difference between wanting to win and doing whatever it takes to win.

With the Flames I think there were too many nights where they just expected to win no matter how hard they worked. If they had a good start they figured they could just coast the rest of the way or if they didn't they figured things would just work out until the final 5-10 minutes when they finally got desperate but it was too late.

Too many passengers.

At some point this year in a GT or PGT I said that the Flames look great - when the opposition lets them look great. They'd score a bunch on Ottawa or Vancouver or Edmonton and a lot of posters said "hey, they look great" when it was obvious that the other team was playing passively and giving the Flames all kinds of room. OTOH I can't recall many wins where the opposition played very well but the Flames were just better.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You're always moving the goal posts. No one is claiming that, but winning all these games in garbage time is really hurting the potential to get a game changer in this coming draft.

We were pretty comfortably out when we lost the first game to Montreal in that back to back stretch. That left us with, mathematically, the most razor thin of margins. Even if you go back to the mathematical out, we've won 3 games we didn't need to win, tacked on an extra 6 points to our score when it was actually impossible to get into the playoffs. We'd currently be 5th in draft order without those points.

Both these are wrong

They have 2 wins since being eliminated...5th in draft order? You are assuming they lose 7 straight to end the season? They had 47 points on the morning of May 1 with 7 games left. I guess, seems unlikely considering they haven't done that all year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You're always moving the goal posts. No one is claiming that, but winning all these games in garbage time is really hurting the potential to get a game changer in this coming draft.

We were pretty comfortably out when we lost the first game to Montreal in that back to back stretch. That left us with, mathematically, the most razor thin of margins. Even if you go back to the mathematical out, we've won 3 games we didn't need to win, tacked on an extra 6 points to our score when it was actually impossible to get into the playoffs. We'd currently be 5th in draft order without those points.

I don't know if it was possible to lose to Ottawa and Vancouver in these 3 games. They suuuuuuucked. Ottawa only had 20 shots. Vancouver only had 25 two games ago and really only had a few until the penalty parade last night.

The Flames record under either Ward or Sutter (which happen to be almost identical prior to the garbage games) makes them a just under .500 team. .458 under Ward and .461 under Sutter. The Canucks were a .430 team or so heading into the last two games. And we're all surprised that they didn't win.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Fact is Flames will be one or two wins short...they weren't out of it 2 months ago.

IMO that's a mirage.

Despite their pretty severe injury problems, whenever Montreal needed to do something to stay ahead of us, they did. They sucked their way through many games where they still somehow managed to take home the points they needed when they really needed them, and we could never, at any point in the season, match that.

When the distance between us and Montreal grew to 8-10 points we would make up some ground and then Montreal would put in a little more effort and we would fall on our faces and then it was 8-10 points again.

At the end of the season Montreal did just enough to make sure we can't catch them, and not a bit more. That's why it doesn't matter that we could, now that the season is effectively over already, make it look like we were close. What matters is that Montreal had an easy time making sure we can't actually catch them.

Those 2 points might as well be a million points when there's no more games left to play.

Or that's how I see it at least.

Montreal is not a great team or even a good team, but they were pretty obviously still better than us.

[dino7c]

Montreal managed to get less wins but okay

neither team should be in the playoffs IMO but its a pandemic and they got a default spot with less wins than 3 non playoff teams

[ForeverFlameFan]

You know it’s a bad win when Gaskal doesn’t even post the ATL report

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

You know it’s a bad win when Gaskal doesn’t even post the ATL report

The entire GT and PGT is an ATL

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Both these are wrong

They have 2 wins since being eliminated...5th in draft order? You are assuming they lose 7 straight to end the season? They had 47 points on the morning of May 1 with 7 games left. I guess, seems unlikely considering they haven't done that all year.

Oh, sorry I included the game the day we got mathematically eliminated.

Gimme a breaaaak you're grasping as always. This club is shooting itself in the foot for literally nothing but the pride of a bunch of babies who couldnt actually perform when they needed to, a dinosaur that was defossilized by wildly optimistic ownership group, and the pantsless "wizard" standing behind the curtain in the corner

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If you are suggesting they couldn't have picked up one more win...okay that is your take I guess

I think the 4 post game in Montreal could have gone either way but that's just me.

I could just as easily comb through the season and find games where the Flames won and were probably the 2nd best team on those nights.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

You're always moving the goal posts. No one is claiming that, but winning all these games in garbage time is really hurting the potential to get a game changer in this coming draft.

We were pretty comfortably out when we lost the first game to Montreal in that back to back stretch. That left us with, mathematically, the most razor thin of margins. Even if you go back to the mathematical out, we've won 3 games we didn't need to win, tacked on an extra 6 points to our score when it was actually impossible to get into the playoffs. We'd currently be 5th in draft order without those points.

You do realize Vancouver is in the same boat as us and is coming off a big covid scare.