Brad Treliving needs to go

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lombardi's been Sutter's GM twice IIRC.

The Gaudreau contract situation is so problematic. So many other decisions are dependent on whether he's extended or not. But what I fear is that he will not commit either way, or even give a fairly positive direction. If I'm the Flames I have to hedge my bet and trade him now.

Yeah, tough situation. They'd need to get him to agree to terms (publicly), otherwise you can't risk that NTC kicking in.

I still think Gaudreau is Philly bound. Friedman mentioning how both Calgary and Philly did a lot of "prep work" for the off-season, and other reports of Nolan Patrick being on the market...it just feels like something that will happen

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, tough situation. They'd need to get him to agree to terms (publicly), otherwise you can't risk that NTC kicking in.

I still think Gaudreau is Philly bound. Friedman mentioning how both Calgary and Philly did a lot of "prep work" for the off-season, and other reports of Nolan Patrick being on the market...it just feels like something that will happen to me.

If he does get moved this site will break. Even though it will have likely been Gaudreau essentially forcing the move by saying he won't stay or refusing to say he will. If it comes down to him saying "I'll stay, but it has to be the right price" that's a worry as well. How much of a premium do you pay Gaudreau to stay so you can plan (Kind of the opposite of a home town discount).

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not sure what would be a worse promotion. Conroy or Maloney?

I think Maloney is gone the second Treliving is fired and those 2 are tied together.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

To clarify I don't expect this. That's what I would want to happen but I have doubts that they would bring in an experienced GM.

My mistake, sorry for that

[InternationalVillager]

Being a GM of a professional sports team has to be one of the most overrated jobs in terms of difficulty. GM's have massive teams that they build in order to support the final work that they're doing. The guys crunching the numbers on the salary cap are just as much responsible for contract negotiations as Treliving is. The GM is just the face of that said team of people. If Treliving has failed, there are others in that team that should go with him because the team has failed collectively.

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Being a GM of a professional sports team has to be one of the most overrated jobs in terms of difficulty. GM's have massive teams that they build in order to support the final work that they're doing. The guys crunching the numbers on the salary cap are just as much responsible for contract negotiations as Treliving is. The GM is just the face of that said team of people. If Treliving has failed, there are others in that team that should go with him because the team has failed collectively.

Like the head of Pro Scouting? Cause he friggin sucks...

[Ashasx]

dreaming about firing everybody

[atb]

Lombardi makes the most sense, wouldn't be surprised to see that happen pretty quick if Treliving is gone at the end the week.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by atb

Lombardi makes the most sense, wouldn't be surprised to see that happen pretty quick if Treliving is gone at the end the week.

Does it make sense to him though, especially if he thinks there might be other jobs opening up

[Vinny01]

I have a feeling if Treliving is let go he is the GM of the Canucks next year. He has done a nice job of signing RFA’s and the Canucks have the 2 most critical extensions of their build right now. He is a BC boy and likely would covet that job. He doesn’t break the bank and allows the Canucks to make the changes their fans have longed for.

Friedman on the FAN was talking about how poorly the Canucks handled the Virtanen scenario and the fact Treliving was widely respected for great leadership with how he handled the Peters scandal

[Strange Brew]

If you're looking for a reason that Treliving might be kept around, both he and Sutter have two years left on their deal. That could mean they both get next year to show progress or else a new GM comes in and gets to figure out if he wants Sutter as coach.

[FlamesAddiction]

I was thinking it might be possible that Treliving just steps down. If it’s true that the owners insisted on Sutter, Treliving just might not want to stick around. He seems to have been really quiet lately.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If you're looking for a reason that Treliving might be kept around, both he and Sutter have two years left on their deal. That could mean they both get next year to show progress or else a new GM comes in and gets to figure out if he wants Sutter as coach.

i've seen enough progress. nobody gets any more chances

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If ownership factored into the coaching hire and has decided to be more hands on with their approach to the team then I think it all makes perfect sense.

Ownership is close with Darryl. They trust him and his opinion clearly. Lot of respect there.

Would Darryl be hiring the GM? No. Would he provide his opinion & insight into what he thinks Treliving has amassed and what he thinks they should be looking for going forward? Of course. Would he be asked for a recommendation as to who he thinks would make a good GM? If asked I think he would. Again, doesn't mean he's hiring the guy but he could be very influential.

I don't find it that weird that Sutter would go from being the coach, then GM, then being fired to coming back all these years later only to see the GM above him be removed. That's the business. Again, we can go back to his relationship with ownership. Despite it not working out all those years ago there is still clearly a bond.

I agree with Jiri. If Treliving is fired, I expect them to bring in an experienced GM. I would expect that person to be likeminded with Sutter.

Good points, fair enough, I could easily be wrong.

I do find it curious though that it seems to be very quiet around the Flames these days. Just listened to Friedman's hit on the fan earlier this afternoon. Lots of smoke in Vancouver about their management, but not a word about Calgary's management. Stienberg didn't even ask. Friedman made reference to how the COVID and Virtanen situations have been handled by the Canucks and went on to, basically, commend Treliving by comparison for how he handled the Peters situation. He said something along the lines of 'you need someone in your organization to have both hands on the steering wheel'. I'm paraphrasing, so someone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

But it is not just Friedman, I haven't heard or read anything that suggests Treliving is about to get fired. I did see one piece in the Athletic that spoke about who was on the hot seat, but I think there is a lot of real estate between the hot seat and getting canned. Seems to me most of the smoke around Treliving is coming from fans on this forum.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have a feeling if Treliving is let go he is the GM of the Canucks next year. He has done a nice job of signing RFA’s and the Canucks have the 2 most critical extensions of their build right now. He is a BC boy and likely would covet that job. He doesn’t break the bank and allows the Canucks to make the changes their fans have longed for.

Friedman on the FAN was talking about how poorly the Canucks handled the Virtanen scenario and the fact Treliving was widely respected for great leadership with how he handled the Peters scandal

I think he eventually will, but it wouldn't surprise me if Treliving never got another GM job.

[Steve Bozek]

I don’t get the writing off of Conroy. He’s given the impression of being a smart guy and a good “people person”. He’s had enough time to learn the business side of the operation. I don’t know how much of his role is in the management of the NHL team, so I’m not sure he should be held responsible for Treliving’s perceived failures. I thought his main role has been in management of scouting, and the minor league affiliates. Hiring him to replace Treliving would not be “too much, too soon” as it was when Risebrough was bumped up to GM.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

I don’t get the writing off of Conroy. He’s given the impression of being a smart guy and a good “people person”. He’s had enough time to learn the business side of the operation. I don’t know how much of his role is in the management of the NHL team, so I’m not sure he should be held responsible for Treliving’s perceived failures. I thought his main role has been in management of scouting, and the minor league affiliates. Hiring him to replace Treliving would not be “too much, too soon” as it was when Risebrough was bumped up to GM.

BT was also an assistant GM from an underachieving organization.
If we are going to replace him - why would we do the same thing again?
I mean everyone has blasted this team for not hiring experienced coaches but we are prepared to had the keys to an inexperienced GM, who at minimum has been a part of decisions that has led to where the team is now?

I just don't get the logic of that.

[flames_fan_down_under]

I guess from a straight optics standpoint Conroy would not look good for the Flames. I think, as you can read on here, if BT were to be replaced that there is a desire for a different vision and someone with a proven track record of success. Conroy would come across as the easy/lazy decision and would be seen as someone embedded within the mediocre DNA of this franchise. There is also likely a belief he has an attachment to the group of players and might not be able to objectively assess the team. We likely need an outsider with a dispassionate perspective who can move players without any sort of sense of loyalty or attachment to these players.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

BT was also an assistant GM from an underachieving organization.
If we are going to replace him - why would we do the same thing again?
I mean everyone has blasted this team for not hiring experienced coaches but we are prepared to had the keys to an inexperienced GM, who at minimum has been a part of decisions that has led to where the team is now?

I just don't get the logic of that.

I can see your point, but if the owners let Treliving go, I can’t see them not giving Conroy a chance to apply for the job. I don’t see them doing a complete cleanout as some posters have suggested.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

I can see your point, but if the owners let Treliving go, I can’t see them not giving Conroy a chance to apply for the job. I don’t see them doing a complete cleanout as some posters have suggested.

To me I would look at:
- Available GMs who an established track record (Dean Lombardi)
- Assistant GMs from successful organizations (e.g. Kelly McCrimmon before Vegas made him GM, can't think of other obvious examples but would look at organizations like the Lightning, Bruins, Blues, etc)