I love how the news outlets/politicians always talk about how this is a "complex" situation. No, it isn't, when the Palestinians don't fire rockets they see Israel building settlements on Palestinian land. The choice for Palestinians is watch your land being taken away if you do nothing or get get mercilessly bombed when you do fight back.
I love how the news outlets/politicians always talk about how this is a "complex" situation. No, it isn't, when the Palestinians don't fire rockets they see Israel building settlements on Palestinian land. The choice for Palestinians is watch your land being taken away if you do nothing or get get mercilessly bombed when you do fight back.
This is very wrong. I guarantee that after this latest round of fighting is done, Netanyahu will use this as an opportunity to boost his strong man image. He will make a statement stating he doesn't bow to terrorists, and will specifically reaffirm his commitment to the settler movement.
Among the more moderate israelis, the settlements are seen as a necessary buffer to rocket attacks. The more settlements they can get, the harder it is to launch rockets at cities like Tel Aviv.
This has been the consistent pattern. After each round of violence the settler activity accelerates. If Biden doesn't step in, I could see Netanyahu going as far as to announce a new major settlement block just to push his position.
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Among the more moderate israelis, the settlements are seen as a necessary buffer to rocket attacks. The more settlements they can get, the harder it is to launch rockets at cities like Tel Aviv.
Well, that's just dumb, isn't it?
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After a certain point that accept that rocket attacks will be ongoing no matter what. If the West Bank becomes a buffer zone, that's an improved situation.
This all plays perfectly into Netanyahu's plan. In order to remain in power he needs to maintain support in the right while convincing centrists that they are under a military threat. Rocket attacks on civilian centers accomplish that goal perfectly. Netanyahu can point to Hamas and state that he doesn't have a partner in peace, so force is his best option.
Meanwhile, leaders in Hamas and Iran are doing the exact same thing. This is a situation that only favors the war hawks. Anyone saying there's positives from the rocket/missile attacks, coming from either side, doesn't understand the situation. This isn't a scenario where either side expects to defeat their enemy. It's just politics.
Triggering international media outrage is probably not the best move on Israel's part
They are thinking long term. In 200 years no one will remember this stuff. The borders will be permanent. The international reaction also becomes muted over time. Plus they can point to Hamas and Iran as the big bads, which brings them support in America. Netanyahu was also never going to be popular in the anti-Israel crowd to begin with.
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200 years of either ethnic cleansing or apartheid.
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They are thinking long term. In 200 years no one will remember this stuff. The borders will be permanent. The international reaction also becomes muted over time. Plus they can point to Hamas and Iran as the big bads, which brings them support in America. Netanyahu was also never going to be popular in the anti-Israel crowd to begin with.
Jesus Christ, this explanation was as calm and chilling as that Israeli in the twitter vid.
We'll just nicely get rid of these people over time. It's a goal of ours and we're just kind of going about it in our own little way here, aw shucks.
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This is very wrong. I guarantee that after this latest round of fighting is done, Netanyahu will use this as an opportunity to boost his strong man image. He will make a statement stating he doesn't bow to terrorists, and will specifically reaffirm his commitment to the settler movement.
Among the more moderate israelis, the settlements are seen as a necessary buffer to rocket attacks. The more settlements they can get, the harder it is to launch rockets at cities like Tel Aviv.
This has been the consistent pattern. After each round of violence the settler activity accelerates. If Biden doesn't step in, I could see Netanyahu going as far as to announce a new major settlement block just to push his position.
The bolded part is not true at all in my experience. I know and have talked to many moderate Israelis and most want nothing more than peace. They don't agree with the settlements and most absolutely hate the ultra orthodox Jews, who are the drivers of the Jewish settlements. Most moderates dislike Bibi if not hate him with a passion.
My son-in-law is Israeli special forces and I have met most of his team. We are lucky enough to have his parents as tour guides every time we go as his mom is a retired school teacher who taught Middle East and Israeli history.
While there are some moderates who do see Bibi as a necessary evil, they would give up the settlements if it meant a lasting peace. There are also no rockets coming from the West Bank, they all come from the Gaza strip so the settlements provide no buffer.
They are thinking long term. In 200 years no one will remember this stuff. The borders will be permanent. The international reaction also becomes muted over time. Plus they can point to Hamas and Iran as the big bads, which brings them support in America. Netanyahu was also never going to be popular in the anti-Israel crowd to begin with.
in 200 years it will be a radioactive hole in the ground if this carries on
I can't imagine how scary and surreal it would be to try and go about your day with this happening overhead. It's also an amazing display of technology. Hopefully airliners are steering clear of the area.
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They are thinking long term. In 200 years no one will remember this stuff. The borders will be permanent. The international reaction also becomes muted over time. Plus they can point to Hamas and Iran as the big bads, which brings them support in America. Netanyahu was also never going to be popular in the anti-Israel crowd to begin with.
70 years ago a bunch of Palestinians were minding their own damn business when bam, the State of Israel shows up out of no where and they are politely told to go away.
They didn’t forget that (hence today’s problems) and they won’t forget this.
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I support Palestine but having people drive around the Beltline for the past hour honking is sure trying my patience.
For Palestine? If so that's really cool. It's neat to see the world suddenly waking up a bit to what's happening there.
Western media has done a good job historically of making it out to be bad Palestine vs good Israel, but they don't have that level of control anymore with social media.
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70 years ago a bunch of Palestinians were minding their own damn business when bam, the State of Israel shows up out of no where and they are politely told to go away.
They didn’t forget that (hence today’s problems) and they won’t forget this.
I think you meant to say "70 years ago a bunch of Arab farmers living in the British-controlled area they called 'British Palestine' were minding their own business when a bunch of Jews immigrated and bought up a tonne of land from non-resident Arab landowners (primarily in Syria and Jordan, wanted to live on and work/operate said land themselves, so the poor 'serfs'/farmers had to leave".
Then "bam, the UN partitions the "British Palestine" territory into Arab and Jewish "halves", the Jews accept the plan (since 90% of the land was already under Jewish ownership/title anyway, and they get a state of their own), and the local Arabs reject it, as well as all of the neighbouring Arab countries that promise to back them, then say their only acceptable deal is to "drive the jews into the sea", and declare war on the newly established state of Israel."
And then over subsequent failed invasions and attempts at extermination of Jews that live in the state of Israel, the Jews manage to drive back the Arab armies and capture additional territory (oh no, that's never been allowed to happen by any other country in the world ). Consequently, they have always given the captured territory back in exchange for peace deals and normalization of relations between the countries (the kicker is that the country has to recognize the state of Israel and its right to exist).
Egypt got the Sinai Peninsula back as a result of the peace deal with Israel, and Jordan their territory back as part of the peace deal too.
Obviously this is a vast oversimplification of the history, and it's much more nuanced than that. I do know the history of this area better than most, IMHO, but I still don't know more than I claim to know. It's complicated, there are no easy answers, and it's not a simple "Israel bad, Palestinians good" (or Hamas is not so bad) narrative that I see here all the time.
Context is king... the more you know.
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). Consequently, they have always given the captured territory back in exchange for peace deals and normalization of relations between the countries (the kicker is that the country has to recognize the state of Israel and its right to exist). 
