05-13-2021, 10:45 PM
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#81
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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For the last 3 seasons this team has had:
Lindholm: 5th overall
Monahan: 6th overall
Bennett: 4th overall
Hanifin: 5th overall
Tkachuk: 6th overall
Talent from the top end of the draft hasn’t been an issue for this team, and doesn’t guarantee success.
I said it in a different thread but blowing it up and drafting early can help, but still requires a lot of luck.
If Toews doesn’t fall to 3rd overall behind Johnson and Staal then Chicago might not win a cup at all.
If Edmonton doesn’t win the lottery and picks Strome or Hanifin at 3rd overall instead of being gifted McDavid they probably still would be the worst team in the league.
Key is to draft well no matter where you’re picking, and make sure youre developing those players well (Hello Sam Bennett).
That’s easier at the top of the draft but even Tampa last year doesn’t necessarily win because of Stamkos or Hedman, they win because of picks like Point, Kucherov, and Cirelli. Stamkos didn’t even play in the playoffs really.
Good drafting is the key to success in the NHL but I don’t think it necessarily means you need to pick top 3 for 5 years. Flames biggest issue hasn’t been draft position IMO, it’s been that they wasted too many picks in the Hamonic, Lazar, Elliott, etc deals.
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05-13-2021, 10:47 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
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#### these people
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05-13-2021, 10:51 PM
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#83
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Totally agreed, pissed away 7 years of a player that immediately excelled elsewhere
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Imagine if the St. Louis Blues treated Alex Pietrangelo that way for the first seven years of his career.
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05-13-2021, 10:53 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimdon
Since the 2017 draft the only pick that the Flames have graduated is valimaki. Not to mention the picks they wasted on bringing in players that skunked.
Horrible asset management.
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Well, they had no picks in 2018, and there’s really only a handful of players who’ve played significant games from that draft anyway. Only 5 guys from 2019 have played over 25 games. Only 4 players from 2020 have set foot in the NHL.
If you go through the teams in the league, there’s very few I’d consider to have “graduated” (i.e. had more than a cup of coffee in the NHL) more than 1 and quite a few haven’t graduated any since 2017, just like Calgary.
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05-13-2021, 10:53 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
For the last 3 seasons this team has had:
Lindholm: 5th overall
Monahan: 6th overall
Bennett: 4th overall
Hanifin: 5th overall
Tkachuk: 6th overall
Talent from the top end of the draft hasn’t been an issue for this team, and doesn’t guarantee success.
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That... isn't the top end of the draft, though.
Lindholm and Monahan? The top end of that draft was MacKinnon, Barkov and Jones. Those two are a clear tier below.
Bennett? I love the guy but he was taken after Draisaitl and Ekblad. Even if he hits his ceiling in Florida, no one in 2014 would have said his ceiling would be on par with a Norris level defenseman or a Hart winning center.
Hanifin? In a draft with Connor McDavid and Jack Eichel? I'm not even convinced he's a better defenseman than Chabot, Provorov, or Werenski who were taken after him, never mind the actual top end of that draft.
Tkachuk? I love the guy but he was taken after Auston Matthews.
A team with Auston Matthews, Sasha Barkov, and Aaron Ekblad is far better off today, than the Calgary Flames. And that's still assuming we make the playoffs in the fluke year that was 2015.
THEN you add in all the talented other guys we've drafted, the Brodie, Gaudreau types, and you have a contender, probably.
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05-13-2021, 11:01 PM
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#86
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FanIn80
Johnny looked like an NHLer in a beer league game out there tonight.
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I look like an NHLer when nothing is on the line.
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05-13-2021, 11:04 PM
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#87
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: CALGARY!
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Flames win after being eliminated from playoff contention?
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05-13-2021, 11:16 PM
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#89
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In the Sin Bin
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Flames really should have gone 0-56
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05-13-2021, 11:16 PM
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#90
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jetfire
Robert blowing a fuse on Overtime.  |
Like every other overtime ever
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05-13-2021, 11:18 PM
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#91
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
11th overall now and Van would have to win out to knock us down a spot.
That includes Seattle.
Can still catch Arizona (3 points ahead) and Chicago (4 point ahead) to lower our draft position even more.
Yay?
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Well Arizona doesn't have a 1st round pick so really Calgary can only move down one spot. People can probably calm down a little on this point.
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05-13-2021, 11:19 PM
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#92
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Savvy27
Well Arizona doesn't have a 1st round pick so really Calgary can only move down one spot. People can probably calm down a little on this point.
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There is probably a good chance the Flames select the same player in the 9-12 spot
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05-13-2021, 11:24 PM
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#93
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Cowtown
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
There is probably a good chance the Flames select the same player in the 9-12 spot
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I cant wait for us to trade down twice and gain a few late round picks in order to snag "our guy" aka a winger with no outstanding skillset
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05-13-2021, 11:25 PM
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#94
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14
I cant wait for us to trade down twice and gain a few late round picks in order to snag "our guy" aka a winger with no outstanding skillset
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Come now.
Connor Zary is a natural center with no outstanding skillset.
He'll only be a winger after we force him to be one.
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05-13-2021, 11:27 PM
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#95
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Airdrie, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Flames really should have gone 0-56
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You think they accomplished more with the record they have now?
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05-13-2021, 11:29 PM
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#96
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimdon
You think they accomplished more with the record they have now?
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Yes
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05-13-2021, 11:29 PM
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#97
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Powerplay Quarterback
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George talks too much nothing
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05-13-2021, 11:30 PM
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#98
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Come now.
Connor Zary is a natural center with no outstanding skillset.
He'll only be a winger after we force him to be one.
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Guarantee me Mercer will be better. Or Lapierre. Zary looked pretty good in his AHL stint.
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05-13-2021, 11:30 PM
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#99
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Airdrie, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Yes
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How?
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05-13-2021, 11:41 PM
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#100
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
Guarantee me Mercer will be better. Or Lapierre. Zary looked pretty good in his AHL stint.
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I can't, of course.
And I hope Zary is a Backlund and not a Klimchuk/Poirier/Jankowski/Baertschi/Neimitz when it's all said and done.
But the Capitals' draft history in the late first round... Carlson, Kuznetsov, Vrana, Samsonov, Burakovsky... suggests maybe Lapierre (who I wanted, BTW) will turn out more successfully.
Only time shall tell.
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