2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People think teams rebuild in 3-5 years...its usually takes 15-20 though

More like 6-9. But no, it’s not a short-term process.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People think teams rebuild in 3-5 years...its usually takes 15-20 though

Spending too much time on the Oiler boards bro.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That is bad. Wood is a grinder, I would put Mercer behind Pelletier and no guarantee he pans out, and a late 1st. If we were going full rebuild that is still a bad trade for an elite winger.

I've seen them both play alot, the floor for Pelletier is higher but Mercer 100% has the higher ceiling.

Pelletier will be a very solid third line utility forward whereas Mercer will likely end up as a second line sniper.

Mercer is a great prospect and I get it isn't much but Gaudreau is pretty much a rental at this point in time. The return that we are going to get will be similar to Taylor Hall (trade from Jersey).

I would love to add more, just think that it is less than likely that we get a huge package for him.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I've seen them both play alot, the floor for Pelletier is higher but Mercer 100% has the higher ceiling.

Pelletier will be a very solid third line utility forward whereas Mercer will likely end up as a second line sniper.

Mercer is a great prospect and I get it isn't much but Gaudreau is pretty much a rental at this point in time. The return that we are going to get will be similar to Taylor Hall (trade from Jersey).

I would love to add more, just think that it is less than likely that we get a huge package for him.

The junior numbers tell a different story.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That Skinner contract is so bad. Can't see a team taking it on to get Eichel.

As bad as the Skinner contract is what does this deal do to make Buffalo competitive, I would find it hard to believe that Buffalo is remotely interested in prospects after missing the playoffs for the last 10 years, they will want players that make them better now

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by shutout

20 years is at least two full rebuild cycles.
2-4 years to tear down and rebuild and 6-8 years of that core being competitive.
Start the cycle again.

How often does this actually happen?

For every example like this there are many more teams that just suck for a decade plus. How long did the Oilers suck? Buffalo?

CPs new fav team the Panthers have been bottom 5-10 the majority of the last 20 years.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Maybe. Believe it or not there are people out there that look at an entire body of work and not just recent samples sizes. Eichel only had 2 goals in 21 games this year and was under a ppg but no one seems to be mentioning that?

Also the Tkachuk and Gio downfalls that this board loves to talk about are a little over exaggerated. People love to talk about how great Brady is yet Matthew will still out score him this year on a team with worse offensive stats.


End of the day if LA puts Byfield or NY puts Lafreniere on the table the Flames have no shot. I don’t think they have much of one anyway but a package around Tkachuk makes more sense than one around Lindholm for the Sabres.

I am not convinced Buffalo would want Byfield, he is young with question marks and will be a project, I could see them being all over Lafreniere as he seems much more ready to make an impact in the the NHL

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How often does this actually happen?

For every example like this there are many more teams that just suck for a decade plus. How long did the Oilers suck? Buffalo?

CPs new fav team the Panthers have been bottom 5-10 the majority of the last 20 years.

Yeah but look at Pittsburgh, they did it in 6-7 years……

So, if you go from Mario and Jagr to Crosby and Malkin you can get it done in that timeframe no problem. Easy peasy.

[FlamesAddiction]

The Panthers aren't a great example either. They constantly signed expensive, under performing players. I don't think their management ever really thought they were rebuilding. They always seemed to be trying to win-now and just failed at it.

Like I said before, sometimes a tank can't be stopped no matter how much you resist. Their constant retooling efforts to gain a couple of spots in the standings during that time potentially cost them players like Seguin, Hall, Tavares, Hedman, P.Kane, McDavid, in favour of players like Crouse, Kulikov, Matheson, Gudbransson, Ellerby, etc... They even traded one of their 1st round picks (7th over all) for a 31 year old goalie (Vokoun) during their "rebuild" and then traded their best goalie prospect (Markstrom) for a 35 year old Luongo.

[GreenLantern2814]

I don’t think “rebuild” means going from total cluster#### to top-5 contender - I think it means you go from an older uncompetitive team, to a really young uncompetitive team that becomes more competitive each year.

It is, shoot me in the head, a process.

Anyone else make outdoor ice? When you build an outdoor rink, you don’t just dump four inches of water in a box and wait for it to freeze.

You layer it. 1/8 of an inch at a time. And after a few weeks, you have real ice. It takes patience and discipline, but it does work.

JE, JG and Lindholm is a foundation you can build on.

[GS Skier]

Both Buffalo and Calgary have limited cap space at the moment but both will have a bit more when the seasons over.

Buffalo has take salary back too or there will be no trade. They can't just demand picks and prospects because no one has the cap space to send 2 mil and take 10 mil back.

Tkachuks a "name" and 7 mill and after that we have 2-3good young defensemen we can offer one of and also have guys like Zary and Pelltier to offer. I don't think Calgary is out of the running on Eichel at all.

My concern is he got the same basic scoring record as Johnny, no better really and in yet in 2 less years of hockey he's -80 lower than Gaudreaus surprising career +20. He has 355 pts in 375 games.

Still it IS Buffalo and he is a big fast centerand he sure passes the eyeball tests.

The idiots I heard on the radio said they'll want all that AND a star center to replace him??? No ones got that to offer and if you have a bona fide point a game center why would trade all that for a single center?

IMHO

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How often does this actually happen?

For every example like this there are many more teams that just suck for a decade plus. How long did the Oilers suck? Buffalo?

CPs new fav team the Panthers have been bottom 5-10 the majority of the last 20 years.

Are Edmonton and Buffalo bad because of rebuilding or because of management and ownership?

No team has ever really been proactive with a rebuild either. They always get forced into it and by that time you have barely any assets and are starting from scratch.

The way I see it is the Flames either be proactive now or just wait a few more years until they have far less assets and are forced to at that point. Either way the on ice product probably isn't that great. At best a bubble team. Playoffs are exciting but hoping and praying for a miracle run is getting a bit old.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

The junior numbers tell a different story.

If ever there is a league where stats don't tell the whole story it is the Q.

The Q is somewhat of a broken league with huge disparities among teams and even the conferences.

I am no scout at all but in my honest personal opinion without bias I can say that based on pure potential Mercer may become the more offensive player. I do think that Pelletier is the safer bet though as I cant see him busting. Pelletier is also without a doubt the better all around player.

[dino7c]

I may be exaggerating a bit although in many cases teams have gone through rebuild after rebuild with zero results. Edmonton was as lucky as a team has ever been with the lottery and they have an average team after 15 years. Honestly how would they look in a 7 games series vs. the Avs ect.

People talk like you blow it up and suck for a couple years and its pretty much a guarantee. Far from it.

I would throw the kitchen sink at Eichel, at least that way you know you are getting a top player and not just wishing for lottery luck

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

More like 6-9. But no, it’s not a short-term process.

Nice.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I may be exaggerating a bit although in many cases teams have gone through rebuild after rebuild with zero results. Edmonton was as lucky as a team has ever been with the lottery and they have an average team after 15 years. Honestly how would they look in a 7 games series vs. the Avs ect.

People talk like you blow it up and suck for a couple years and its pretty much a guarantee. Far from it.

I would throw the kitchen sink at Eichel, at least that way you know you are getting a top player and not just wishing for lottery luck

Not sure you can really say that with the injury as reported. Who knows exactly what Eichel will be like when he returns.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

People think teams rebuild in 3-5 years...its usually takes 15-20 though

We are in year 10, so halfway there I guess. There was that one year right after Feaster left when we had Hartley where we had a little success.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Not sure you can really say that with the injury as reported. Who knows exactly what Eichel will be like when he returns.

This should be a major concern.

I don't know the extent of his injury compared to other players that have had it, but there are several really good players that have had the same kind of injury and missed considerable time because of it, and were never the same player when they came back.

Look at Gary Roberts. He missed the majority of 2 seasons with a similar injury and while he was reasonably effective when he returned, he wasn't quite the same player.

I don't know if Eichel's injury is that bad, but if you are mortgaging the future to get him, it's not an insignificant risk.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How often does this actually happen?

For every example like this there are many more teams that just suck for a decade plus. How long did the Oilers suck? Buffalo?

CPs new fav team the Panthers have been bottom 5-10 the majority of the last 20 years.

Interestingly the Panthers have finished with a higher winning percentage than the Flames in 4 of the last 6 seasons. And they have only had one season in the last 7 that they have finished in the bottom 10 of the league, whereas the Flames have had two. But you are right, a long time ago they were pretty bad and they have the misfortunate of playing in a tougher conference as a general rule which hurts them.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

We are in year 10, so halfway there I guess. There was that one year right after Feaster left when we had Hartley where we had a little success.

How are the Flames in year 10? They did the strip down 8 years ago and their run was 6 years ago.