[News] Eichel: Sabres wouldn't let me get surgery on herniated disk in neck

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

McDavid has missed the playoffs 6 times...he isn't all there I guess

And right now his team is outside the top ten in the league pts% despite a Vezina caliber season from his goalie, his 2C putting up a season almost identical to last year's Hart winning effort, and he himself pacing for the most individually dominant season since the days of 99 and 66

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Sabres fan on twitter:

Lafreniere, the next 3 firsts, Kappo, and Schneider

somebody is going to be disappointed with Monahan and a 1st

Sabres will be disappointed when the first doesn't come true.

Calgary when the second doesn't come true.

Each has zero chance of occuring. But I think the first one is the most ridiculous.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

And right now his team is outside the top ten in the league pts% despite a Vezina caliber season from his goalie, his 2C putting up a season almost identical to last year's Hart winning effort, and he himself pacing for the most individually dominant season since the days of 99 and 66

This is what makes me laugh about the Oilers fans being so arrogant.

- Your generational center has what will probably be the best season of his career
- His running mate has another great season
-Nurse had what will be the best season of his career
- Your 38 year old back up goalie coming into the season took over the starters role and is probably going to be a Vezina finalist.

And you still aren't really a top 10 team in the NHL.

In regards to Eichel I actually saw a Sabres fan post this one today and I would take it an run if I was the Flames:

Monahan
Dube
2021 First
2022 Second (FLA)
Prospect

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

McDavid has missed the playoffs 6 times...he isn't all there I guess

He's made the playoffs three times in six seasons actually, and regardless they are not even in the same ball park in terms of production.

McDavid - 1.41 pts/g
Eichel - 0.95 pts/g

Eichel has produced identical career rates to Johhny Gaudreau who everyone is wanting to run out of town.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Sabres will be disappointed when the first doesn't come true.

Calgary when the second doesn't come true.

Each has zero chance of occuring. But I think the first one is the most ridiculous.

The 2nd one was tounge and cheek...unless the Flames win the lottery

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

He's made the playoffs three times in six seasons actually.

No he hasn't...I was thinking he played more seasons


Still the point remains he has missed 4 times and won one playoff series in six years.

Who wants Gaudreau out of town? He is the Flames best offensive player.

Both guys have had to do it themselves, imagine them together.

I wasn't saying Eichel is McDavid...just that you can't pin team success on one guy.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Monahan+ Choice of Dube or Mangiapane+ Valimaki + 2021 1st. Could also add a Pelletier or Zary into the mix for a lesser prospect or something back from buffalo to balance contracts. That's a solid offer and I think competitive.

Monahan alone should have the value of a high 1st round pick + roster player. IMO Mangiapane and Dube should be worth a low 1st each. Valimaki was a recent enough 1st with good FEL numbers to maintain value, and the 1st is obvious. So, 4 1sts+ worth of equivalent value.

Monahan does not have that value right now. He is on the verge of being a bad contract. We can all dream there is a way to get Eichel here while keeping Tkachuk but I don’t see it and in fact I think it is our only chance. If Brad or whoever can pull off a deal for Eichel that keeps Chucky here I will be impressed beyond belief.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No he hasn't...I was thinking he played more seasons


Still the point remains he has missed 4 times and won one playoff series in six years.

Who wants Gaudreau out of town? He is the Flames best offensive player.

Both guys have had to do it themselves, imagine them together.

I wasn't saying Eichel is McDavid...just that you can't pin team success on one guy.

The Oilers' were 12th in the league and firmly in a playoff position when COVID shut the league down last season. If you don't want to count that, all the power to you. I don't think losing a mini series that they likely shouldn't have been in regardless after four months off of hockey is all that telling.

I know you can't pin team success on one player, but I don't think the vast majority of you know exactly the type of player Eichel currently is. He is not a franchise altering player at this point in his career. That's all I am saying, and some of these proposals are complete lunacy.

[Drunk Uncle]

I suspect an acceptable looking trade for Eichel would look something like:
Hanafin, Lindholm, Peltier and a first.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

I am painting Eichel as an elite offensive talent that has yet to show the maturity or commitment to better his all around game and effort levels. I am not saying he can't, just that he hasn't to date.

In terms of purely his offensive tools he's a top five talent in the NHL.

Who's been able to do it by themselves before?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

I suspect an acceptable looking trade for Eichel would look something like:
Hanafin, Lindholm, Peltier and a first.

Switch Lindholm for Monahan and I agree.

Who has more value, Hanifin or Valimaki?

I also think Peltier has more value than Zary.

I would still be amazed if it doesn’t include Tkachuk going the other way.

Tkachuk, Dube, Zary and this years first. We just need to win the draft lottery and for Dube to light it up for Canada.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

I suspect an acceptable looking trade for Eichel would look something like:
Hanafin, Lindholm, Peltier and a first.

The Flames need to keep Lindholm. He's the only high end forward that can play on the right side. He can be sloted in at centre as well. If the Flames are bringing in Eichel, they should look at moving all of their other forwards before Lindholm. The only foward I would put above Lindholm would be Gaudreau, with a contract extension.

I really like Eichel, but given everything that's gone on, a deal involving both Hanifin and Lindholm and multiple first equivalents seems like an overpayment. Hanifin, due to his beauty contract, is another one you try to keep at all costs.

If I'm the Flames, my off limits list is:

Hanifin
Lindholm
Andersson

If the Flames can keep those 3, acquire Eichel and then extend Gaudreau, with those five to build around, you have a legit team.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Switch Lindholm for Monahan and I agree.

Who has more value, Hanifin or Valimaki?

I also think Peltier has more value than Zary.

I would still be amazed if it doesn’t include Tkachuk going the other way.

Tkachuk, Dube, Zary and this years first. We just need to win the draft lottery and for Dube to light it up for Canada.

It's a good question. I would say Hanifin. He's only 2 years older than Valimaki and Valimaki is still finding his way. If Buffalo wanted Valimaki though, I'd have no issue including him instead of Hanifin.

I'd also love to swap Monahan for Lindholm however I think that would be a deal breaker for Buffalo. If it was Tkachuk instead of Monahan or Lindholm, I think that's better for the Flames.

[Drunk Uncle]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames need to keep Lindholm. He's the only high end forward that can play on the right side. He can be sloted in at centre as well. If the Flames are bringing in Eichel, they should look at moving all of their other forwards before Lindholm. The only foward I would put above Lindholm would be Gaudreau, with a contract extension.

I really like Eichel, but given everything that's gone on, a deal involving both Hanifin and Lindholm and multiple first equivalents seems like an overpayment. Hanifin, due to his beauty contract, is another one you try to keep at all costs.

If I'm the Flames, my off limits list is:

Hanifin
Lindholm
Andersson

If the Flames can keep those 3, acquire Eichel and then extend Gaudreau, with those five to build around, you have a legit team.

I don't disagree with how important Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson are to the Flames. I'd fully expect Buffalo to know that as well and if one of those 3 weren't included in the deal, I wouldn't make that deal. I'm sure Buffalo doesn't want our most expendable assets. For me, I think Lindholm will be that for Buffalo and an absolute needed inclusion.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

I don't disagree with how important Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson are to the Flames. I'd fully expect Buffalo to know that as well and if one of those 3 weren't included in the deal, I wouldn't make that deal. I'm sure Buffalo doesn't want our most expendable assets. For me, I think Lindholm will be that for Buffalo and an absolute needed inclusion.

If you can convince Buffalo to take Hanifin as a centerpiece of the deal do that deal instantly , regardless of the other pieces.

And I don't even want Eichel here.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

I don't disagree with how important Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson are to the Flames. I'd fully expect Buffalo to know that as well and if one of those 3 weren't included in the deal, I wouldn't make that deal. I'm sure Buffalo doesn't want our most expendable assets. For me, I think Lindholm will be that for Buffalo and an absolute needed inclusion.

Lindholm makes no sense for the Sabres at all. Why would a team who is years away from contention insisting on a guy who will be 27 and in 3 years need a big payday.

Lindholm has immense value to a team pushing now and for the next 3 years but not for a team in the midst of a long rebuild. It is why I think if the Flames decide to go into a long term build that Lindholm jumps to the front of the line for must move assets.


Buffalo will want a star player in return a name player that is likely younger than Eichel and can be part of the Sabres now and the future. I think Tkachuk is the only player the Flames can offer that would make sense to the Sabres

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Drunk Uncle

I don't disagree with how important Hanifin, Lindholm and Andersson are to the Flames. I'd fully expect Buffalo to know that as well and if one of those 3 weren't included in the deal, I wouldn't make that deal. I'm sure Buffalo doesn't want our most expendable assets. For me, I think Lindholm will be that for Buffalo and an absolute needed inclusion.

If Lindholm is included, the rest of the package becomes much smaller. Eichel is clearly the better player, but comes with a much worse contract and is also damaged goods. Recouping a player like Lindholm from this Eichel disaster would be a big win for Buffalo.

As far as what fits the Flames, a lot depends on whether Gaudreau will re-sign. If Gaudreau walks and Lindholm is gone, even with Eichel, the Flames forward group is looking pretty weak. Having Eichel as your centre would likely attract a solid free agent winger. However, does Eichel agree to come to Calgary if the only other good forward is Tkachuk.

I'm rambling at this point, but it does seem like spinning tires, unless the Flames can secure 3 legit first line players.

[flamesgod]

Here’s mine:
Eichel
Ristolainen 25% retained for

Tkachuk
Andersson
1st in 21

Gio goes to Seattle.

Sign Palmieri 3 or 4 years 4 mil per
Sign Martinez 4 years 4 mil per

Gaudreau Eichel Palmieri
Monahan Lindholm Mangiapane
Lucic Backlund Dube

Hanifin Tanev
Martinez Ristolainen
Valimaki Stone
Kylington


Markstrom

[Mull]

nm not worth it

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The 2nd one was tounge and cheek...unless the Flames win the lottery

I know, and it’s still likely better than the first proposal lol.


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