[News] Eichel: Sabres wouldn't let me get surgery on herniated disk in neck

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

If we could land Eichel while only giving up one roster player (Tkachuk likely) I think we’re a significantly better team.

Monahan sewered Gaudreau this year. And Gaudreau is the perfect player to be the second best player on the team. If you land Eichel I think that would go a long way in re-signing Johnny.

Centre depth of Eichel/Lindholm/Monahan/Backlund would be pretty damn good.

Was watching Eichel highlights, the guy can telegraph a shot into a small space between the goalie and the post. He does it from different distances and all kinds of angles, his wrister is amazingly fast. On one goal he had 2 defenders on either side, but could still shoot and score easily with his stick in close to his body. All we need is a guy like Johnny who puts the puck on his stick every time!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Mull

Are you joking?

The current situation with what has been stated, true or not:

-A player thinks he needed medical treatment and it was withheld by the team NOT TRUE...only to take a different treatment than surgery
-The player played the entire season NOT TRUE

You're arguing that the club didn't tell him to play without the treatment by refusing it, because... it wasn't explicitly stated?

And the key point is, therefore, based on his comments posted on the first post of this thread, its not shameful to call him a "me me me" player?

The team never made him play against his will...period. Thats why he hasnt played in 2 months.

Dont know what else you are so triggered about.

The team did not "withhold" treatment either, they just wanted a different one. They were never asking him to play, only to not get surgery.

They owe him 50 Million dollars no matter what, so yes they absolutely get a say in which way that should go, particularly if their doctors think one is better than the other.

It is entirely within their rights to do so as collectively bargained with the NHLPA. If he doesnt like their decision, he can file a grievance.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by NewFan

The problem is after trading Eichel we won't have any asset to improve our team. If we could trade only Monahan for Eichel then we may have some asset to upgrade some positions, otherwise we will stay average team for 2-3 years at least.

This isn’t true.

Keep trading 1st and 2nd round picks for real NHLers.

Here are Pittsburgh’s 1st round picks since they drafted Sidney Crosby.

-Jordan Staal - helped them win a cup, traded for Brandon Sutter and Brian Dumoulin - won 2 cups). Sutter would be traded to Vancouver for Nick Bonino and Adam Clendening. Bonino would be 4th in team scoring during their 2nd championship.

-Angelo Esposito - traded for Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis

-Simon Despres - traded for Ben Lovejoy (won Cup)

-Beau Bennett - didn’t play enough games in 2015-16 to get his name on the cup, subsequently dealt to New Jersey.

-Joe Morrow - traded to Dallas for Brendan Morrow

-Derrick Pouliot - traded to Canucks for scraps

-Olli Maata - won 2 cups

-Kasperi Kapanen - traded for Phil Kessel, subsequently traded back to Pittsburgh

-Samuel Poulin - still in the system.

The Penguins have drafted their own selection nine times since Sid joined the team, and only two of those players actually helped them win something.

You’ll notice Everyone but Staal and Kapanen are nobodies (to a lesser extent, Maata)

The 1st round picks they gave up have turned into:

Rodion Amirov (2020 - traded for Kapanen)
K’Andre Miller (2018)
Klim Kostin (2017 - traded for Ryan Reaves)
Sam Steel (2016 - traded for Kessel - won 2 Cups)
Matt Barzal (2015 via Edmonton - traded for David Perron)
Morgan Klimchuk (2013 - traded for Jarome Iginla)
Daultan Leville (2008 - traded for Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis)

All that adds up to

-15 straight playoff appearances.
-20 playoff rounds won.
-3 Stanley Cups

Pittsburgh owes all three of their championships to prioritizing winning the Stanley Cup instead of the draft - they had five 1st round picks between 2009 and 2012 and never made it out of the 2nd round.

They start trading 1sts ++ in 2013 and go Conference Finals, 2nd round, 1st round, Championship, Championship.

We talk all the time about not tanking because of the bad message it sends. The inverse is true.

Draft picks are for ####ing losers.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

This isn’t true.

Keep trading 1st and 2nd round picks for real NHLers.

Here are Pittsburgh’s 1st round picks since they drafted Sidney Crosby.

-Jordan Staal - helped them win a cup, traded for Brandon Sutter and Brian Dumoulin - won 2 cups). Sutter would be traded to Vancouver for Nick Bonino and Adam Clendening. Bonino would be 4th in team scoring during their 2nd championship.

-Angelo Esposito - traded for Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis

-Simon Despres - traded for Ben Lovejoy (won Cup)

-Beau Bennett - didn’t play enough games in 2015-16 to get his name on the cup, subsequently dealt to New Jersey.

-Joe Morrow - traded to Dallas for Brendan Morrow

-Derrick Pouliot - traded to Canucks for scraps

-Olli Maata - won 2 cups

-Kasperi Kapanen - traded for Phil Kessel, subsequently traded back to Pittsburgh

-Samuel Poulin - still in the system.

The Penguins have drafted their own selection nine times since Sid joined the team, and only two of those players actually helped them win something.

You’ll notice Everyone but Staal and Kapanen are nobodies (to a lesser extent, Maata)

The 1st round picks they gave up have turned into:

Rodion Amirov (2020 - traded for Kapanen)
K’Andre Miller (2018)
Klim Kostin (2017 - traded for Ryan Reaves)
Sam Steel (2016 - traded for Kessel - won 2 Cups)
Matt Barzal (2015 via Edmonton - traded for David Perron)
Morgan Klimchuk (2013 - traded for Jarome Iginla)
Daultan Leville (2008 - traded for Marian Hossa and Pascal Dupuis)

All that adds up to

-15 straight playoff appearances.
-20 playoff rounds won.
-3 Stanley Cups

Pittsburgh owes all three of their championships to prioritizing winning the Stanley Cup instead of the draft - they had five 1st round picks between 2009 and 2012 and never made it out of the 2nd round.

They start trading 1sts ++ in 2013 and go Conference Finals, 2nd round, 1st round, Championship, Championship.

We talk all the time about not tanking because of the bad message it sends. The inverse is true.

Draft picks are for ####ing losers.

You’re allowed to do whatever you want when you have Crosby, Malkin and Fleury.

Where were they drafted?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by timbit

You’re allowed to do whatever you want when you have Crosby, Malkin and Fleury.

Where were they drafted?

You’re allowed to do whatever you want when you have top end talent.

Top end talent is available. Put the best offer on the table and get the top end talent, instead of quibbling about if it’s the right top end talent.

If you can get Eichel without giving up Gaudreau or Lindholm, you’re an instant contender. You’re a #1D Away.

If you have to add Lindholm, then you’re two pieces away. But you have the most difficult one to find locked up, and a window that’s open for at least as long as Eichel is under contract.

Who doesn’t want that?

[MrMike]

Yup, if you get Eichel, you go for it for the next 5 years and blow it up after that.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

You’re allowed to do whatever you want when you have top end talent.

Top end talent is available. Put the best offer on the table and get the top end talent, instead of quibbling about if it’s the right top end talent.

If you can get Eichel without giving up Gaudreau or Lindholm, you’re an instant contender. You’re a #1D Away.

If you have to add Lindholm, then you’re two pieces away. But you have the most difficult one to find locked up, and a window that’s open for at least as long as Eichel is under contract.

Who doesn’t want that?

Just to clarify, what is the max you would give up for Eichel?

Quick addendum. What would you expect to get in a trade by giving up Gaudreau and/or Lindholm?

Lastly, did the Pens trade for Crosby, Malkin or Fleury picks?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by timbit

You’re allowed to do whatever you want when you have Crosby, Malkin and Fleury.

Where were they drafted?

Where was Eichel drafted?

IF and a massive IF you can get him it changes everything...for me they should pull out all the stops to get him

what is the worst that can happen? they suck? newsflash

[timbit]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where was Eichel drafted?

IF and a massive IF you can get him it changes everything

Hasn’t changed anything for Buffalo.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by timbit

Just to clarify, what is the max you would give up for Eichel?

Quick addendum. What would you expect to get in a trade by giving up Gaudreau and/or Lindholm?

My Eichel trade looks like this:

One of Lindholm/Monahan -I’d retain money on Monahan to make it worth their while.
Tkachuk
Valimaki
Zary
Pelletier
1st - 2021
1st - 2022 - this would be for taking Monahan instead of Lindholm - saves us hanging to go reacquire a 2nd centre, and I think Lindholm is good enough to fill that role at a championship level.
1st - 2023

And if they want anything else, tell me what we need to do to make it happen. I really don’t believe there’s a cost too high to pay for a player like this. He’s a Veyron.

Give Darryl Sutter this.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Mangiapane
Dube-Lindholm-Buffalo player cap dump
Lucic-Backlund—Buffalo player cap dump
Vet UFA - July 1 signing - prospect/PTO

Hanifin-Andersson
Gio-Tanev
Wrecker UFA D-Wrecker UFA D/Prospect

Markstrom
Domingue

Sign me up for that. That’s a foundation, and a shrewd operator could do a lot with it.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

My Eichel trade looks like this:

One of Lindholm/Monahan -I’d retain money on Monahan to make it worth their while.
Tkachuk
Valimaki
Zary
Pelletier
1st - 2021
1st - 2022 - this would be for taking Monahan instead of Lindholm - saves us hanging to go reacquire a 2nd centre, and I think Lindholm is good enough to fill that role at a championship level.
1st - 2023

And if they want anything else, tell me what we need to do to make it happen. I really don’t believe there’s a cost too high to pay for a player like this. He’s a Veyron.

Give Darryl Sutter this.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Mangiapane
Dube-Lindholm-Buffalo player cap dump
Lucic-Backlund—Buffalo player cap dump
Vet UFA - July 1 signing - prospect/PTO

Hanifin-Andersson
Gio-Tanev
Wrecker UFA D-Wrecker UFA D/Prospect

Markstrom
Domingue

Sign me up for that. That’s a foundation, and a shrewd operator could do a lot with it.

Bottom five team with no draft picks. Scary and no thanks.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Where was Eichel drafted?

IF and a massive IF you can get him it changes everything...for me they should pull out all the stops to get him

what is the worst that can happen? they suck? newsflash

Lol, yeah they continue sucking with even less in the cupboards. Extending the suck even longer...

Thats some good team building.

[Calgary4LIfe]

That's way too much too much value. Eichel is good, but he isn't better than Gretzky or Lindros good. That's like 7 or 8 first round picks. That's franchse crippling, and assures that the Flames will be very hard-pressed to win a damn thing for years.


The rest of the roster is woefully weak. "Buffalo Cap dumps" to play on lines 2-3, with UFA/prospects to fill the rest of the lineup assures that we will be building Buffalo up to be a championship calibre team for years to come, as the Flames will be a lottery team with that lineup.


It is just as bad as the Oilers' lineup for the majority of the McDavid years so far, except Calgary has a goalie. I am all for acquiring Eichel, but that's overboard.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by timbit

Bottom five team with no draft picks. Scary and no thanks.

We have lots of draft picks- we just don’t have any 1sts. Which are lottery tickets anyway.

Spend them on players. Once you have Eichel and Lindholm As your top 2 centres for the next four years and presumably beyond, the players you can get for your picks become more valuable than the picks themselves.

Championship teams aren’t won by kids. They’re won by stars surrounded by veterans who know what they’re doing. When they do get contributions from youth, it’s from obscure players who find a way to mesh with Sidney Crosby for three months before being sold for scraps.

That’s how this game is played. We need to Quit relying on 18 year olds who were poor eighteen months ago.

Get Jack Eichel. Play him with Johnny Gaudreau. See how they look. Make moves accordingly.

Basically play to win. That’s all I’m asking.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yup, if you get Eichel, you go for it for the next 5 years and blow it up after that.

If we got Eichel, I doubt we would have enough to go for it. We wouldn’t be able to afford much after that and it’s not like we have a bunch of players ready to play above their contracts.

Also, is nobody concerned that if the only thing that will make him happy is surgery, he could be out of action for a considerable amount of time?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

That's way too much too much value. Eichel is good, but he isn't better than Gretzky or Lindros good. That's like 7 or 8 first round picks. That's franchse crippling, and assures that the Flames will be very hard-pressed to win a damn thing for years.


The rest of the roster is woefully weak. "Buffalo Cap dumps" to play on lines 2-3, with UFA/prospects to fill the rest of the lineup assures that we will be building Buffalo up to be a championship calibre team for years to come, as the Flames will be a lottery team with that lineup.


It is just as bad as the Oilers' lineup for the majority of the McDavid years so far, except Calgary has a goalie. I am all for acquiring Eichel, but that's overboard.

Right, it’s bad for like a year. And even then, it’s probably a playoff roster with Darryl at the helm for a full year. It can defend it has goaltending and has elite forwards.

The Oilers need like two things to go their way to be nightmarish. They need a #1D and a reliable goalie. And even without that, they are a threat to beat any team in a 7 game Series because of those two forwards.

Are they thin? Yep.

Does it matter? Nope.

If you were drafting a player 1st overall, what would they do differently than Jack Eichel?

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by timbit

Hasn’t changed anything for Buffalo.

Look at what happened to Hall as soon as he got out of Buffalo.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Look at what happened to Hall as soon as he got out of Buffalo.

Hall looking like an MVP on the Bruins is about what I figured would happen.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

My Eichel trade looks like this:

One of Lindholm/Monahan -I’d retain money on Monahan to make it worth their while.
Tkachuk
Valimaki
Zary
Pelletier
1st - 2021
1st - 2022 - this would be for taking Monahan instead of Lindholm - saves us hanging to go reacquire a 2nd centre, and I think Lindholm is good enough to fill that role at a championship level.
1st - 2023

And if they want anything else, tell me what we need to do to make it happen. I really don’t believe there’s a cost too high to pay for a player like this. He’s a Veyron.

Give Darryl Sutter this.

Gaudreau-Eichel-Mangiapane
Dube-Lindholm-Buffalo player cap dump
Lucic-Backlund—Buffalo player cap dump
Vet UFA - July 1 signing - prospect/PTO

Hanifin-Andersson
Gio-Tanev
Wrecker UFA D-Wrecker UFA D/Prospect

Markstrom
Domingue

Sign me up for that. That’s a foundation, and a shrewd operator could do a lot with it.

Now, what if the cost turned the team surrounding Eichel into a team like, oh let's say Buffalo. I wonder what the outcome would be...

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by VilleN

Now, what if the cost turned the team surrounding Eichel into a team like, oh let's say Buffalo. I wonder what the outcome would be...

You win with centre depth.

If you get Eichel, your top three centres are

Jack Eichel
Elias Lindholm
Mikael Backlund

Your first line LW is Johnny Hockey.

Defense is rough, but the goalie quietly just put up the best GAA he’s had in 5 years. He didn’t help the cause as much this year but he doesn’t suck.

Bread and Dube are solid and getting better - they’re off to play for Canada. Looch brings it. People say Ruciszka is ready, they want to see Matthew Phillips... like, is anybody we’ve drafted the last three years worth so much as an audition?

I dunno, I don’t watch draft picks. I think that collection of players could do some cool stuff on my tv during the winter, and into the summer.

Doesn’t matter if the Oilers win or lose, at least they get to watch a video game character come to life do neat things every night.