[News] Eichel: Sabres wouldn't let me get surgery on herniated disk in neck

[Roof-Daddy]

Man, Eichel, Lindholm, Backlund is pretty amazing center depth.

I'd way rather the Flames take their chances with that type of C depth than the types of rosters they have been rolling with.

[Vinny01]

Tkachuk+Dube+Valimaki+21 1st
For
Eichel

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Monahan-free agent
Lucic-Backlund-Pelletier/Philips/ufa
Crash-and-Bang

Hanifin-Tanev
UFA-Andersson
Mackey-Nasty guy with edge

Markstrom
Veteran

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tkachuk+Dube+Valimaki+21 1st
For
Eichel

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Monahan-free agent
Lucic-Backlund-Pelletier/Philips/ufa
Crash-and-Bang

Hanifin-Tanev
UFA-Andersson
Mackey-Nasty guy with edge

Markstrom
Veteran

That’s exactly what I expect our offer to be, and it will all depend on Buffalos interest in Tkachuk.

[NewFan]

I'm just curious how many fans want retool like trade for Eichel or how many fans want full rebuild. If trade for Eichel can this team build a contender team when you don't have upcoming blue chip prospect or new drafted prospects. For me, I rather choose full rebuild especially next 2-3 draft may have high quality prospects available.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by MrMike

That’s exactly what I expect our offer to be, and it will all depend on Buffalos interest in Tkachuk.

Not sure id trade for Tkachuk without an extension in place (so after July 1). Too risky to have to pay $9 million then he walks. Would he sign an extension with Buffalo?

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tkachuk+Dube+Valimaki+21 1st
For
Eichel

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Monahan-free agent
Lucic-Backlund-Pelletier/Philips/ufa
Crash-and-Bang

Hanifin-Tanev
UFA-Andersson
Mackey-Nasty guy with edge

Markstrom
Veteran

Is it a team that can compete for the cup? I see 1st line 2 3sh lines and 1 4th line with weak D. May be playoff quality but that's it.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I'm just curious how many fans want retool like trade for Eichel or how many fans want full rebuild. If trade for Eichel can this team build a contender team when you don't have upcoming blue chip prospect or new drafted prospects. For me, I rather choose full rebuild especially next 2-3 draft may have high quality prospects available.

It doesn’t matter what we want, it’s what the owners want. My gut says the are not even considering a rebuild

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I'm just curious how many fans want retool like trade for Eichel or how many fans want full rebuild. If trade for Eichel can this team can build contender team when you don't have upcoming blue chip prospect or new drafted prospects. For me, I rather choose full rebuild especially next 2-3 draft may have high quality prospects available.

This team doesn't have a strong enough foundation for a retool IMO. Subtracting 1 or 2 guys out and selling the farm for Eichel doesn't feel like the right answer to me.

But really what else can they do. They've invested far too heavily into this build to blow it up. (Markstrom, Tanev, 30 + year old vets)

I just think it's beyond stupid to be trading draft picks when all this core has done has hurt their own individual trade values limiting return potentials, shallow the organizational depth.

It's a proper misguided mess they have themselves in, and one I don't think acquiring Eichel cleans up.

Right now we are in the Olli Jokinen stage of the build.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I'm just curious how many fans want retool like trade for Eichel or how many fans want full rebuild. If trade for Eichel can this team can build contender team when you don't have upcoming blue chip prospect or new drafted prospects. For me, I rather choose full rebuild especially next 2-3 draft may have high quality prospects available.

The way I see it, you’re rebuilding on a quest to find a #1C because you don’t believe you can acquire one any other way.

And most of the time, this is the case.

Jack Eichel is who you’re hoping to get when you rebuild.

So if you can get him now, get him now. A boat’s a boat, but the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat.

Now, if nobody’s offering you the boat, blow it up.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by transplant99

He did?

I havent seen a single thing where it is alleged that they were "forcing him to play" at any point nor through any injury.

Do they agree on the course to take treatment wise? No.

But that is miles apart from what you are insinuating.

This is what happens with guaranteed contracts...those that are responsible to pay them get say on every aspect of that players health, treatment, and rehab if necessary.

Are you joking?

The current situation with what has been stated, true or not:
-A player thinks he needed medical treatment and it was withheld by the team
-The player played the entire season

You're arguing that the club didn't tell him to play without the treatment by refusing it, because... it wasn't explicitly stated?

And the key point is, therefore, based on his comments posted on the first post of this thread, its not shameful to call him a "me me me" player?

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

It doesn’t matter what we want, it’s what the owners want. My gut says the are not even considering a rebuild

May be it's true, but they also see the economic situation, the team success and other teams and also the new building.
I hope they will accept rebuild while keeping some cap space, while grooming young guys under Sutter and hope when the new building opens we will have a young upcoming team which playes exciting game that fans agree to pay a high priced ticket to cover the building cost.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I'm just curious how many fans want retool like trade for Eichel or how many fans want full rebuild. If trade for Eichel can this team build a contender team when you don't have upcoming blue chip prospect or new drafted prospects. For me, I rather choose full rebuild especially next 2-3 draft may have high quality prospects available.

I don't mind a rebuild, but you have to ask why a team rebuilds.

To me, a team rebuilds to get those high end foundational players. For instance the Panthers from 2011 to 2014 drafted thrice in the top three:

LW Jonathan Huberdeau
C Alexander Barkov
RD Aaron Ekblad

That's bonafide #1 Defenseman, #1 Winger, and #1 Center.

So to each of those:

I think defensemen are an iffy thing to draft for. For every Ekblad/Hedman/Pronger there's still a Letang or Lidstrom or Keith or Chara (or Giordano) that was (un?)drafted in a more random spot. Defense is a tough position to project in Junior IMO.

I also think Wingers are an iffy thing to draft for. Look at the most productive wingers and they're usually drafted high, but probably not "rebuild" high. Mikko Rantanen, for example, was drafted 9th overall. Our own Tkachuk was drafted 6th. I think if you look at the wings of most great teams, there might be a few Marners or Huberdeaus drafted very high, but they're a minority.

So it really comes down to the center position.

To get an elite center, you pretty much have to draft high IMO. That's why it's three drafts out and we're already eyeing Connor Bedard, with no idea how the kid actually develops.


But...

Jack Eichel is an Elite Center.

He's literally the one reason you don't rebuild.

If you can't get Jack Eichel, you should rebuild.

But getting Jack Eichel changes everything.

He's what you're rebuilding to acquire.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Mull

Are you joking?

The current situation with what has been stated, true or not:
-A player thinks he needed medical treatment and it was withheld by the team
-The player played the entire season

Neither of those things are true, nor have been stated.


The Sabres and Eichel disagree on the treatment for his injury. They are not withholding treatment. They think rehab will be fine. Eichel wants surgery. Both are treatments.

And Eichel has not played the entire season. He played 21 games. It is suspected the injury occurred on March 7, and he didn't play after that, but they didn't officially shut him down for the season until mid-April.

[NewFan]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

The way I see it, you’re rebuilding on a quest to find a #1C because you don’t believe you can acquire one any other way.

And most of the time, this is the case.

Jack Eichel is who you’re hoping to get when you rebuild.

So if you can get him now, get him now. A boat’s a boat, but the mystery box could be anything. It could even be a boat.

Now, if nobody’s offering you the boat, blow it up.

The problem is after trading Eichel we won't have any asset to improve our team. If we could trade only Monahan for Eichel then we may have some asset to upgrade some positions, otherwise we will stay average team for 2-3 years at least.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by NewFan

The problem is after trading Eichel we won't have any asset to improve our team. If we could trade only Monahan for Eichel then we may have some asset to upgrade some positions, otherwise we will stay average team for 2-3 years at least.

I disagree, they are currently quite set at D, goaltending, and coaching. Adding an Elite C makes this team instantly threatening. And they will be enticing to free agents to fill roster gaps.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Tkachuk+Dube+Valimaki+21 1st
For
Eichel

Gaudreau-Eichel-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Monahan-free agent
Lucic-Backlund-Pelletier/Philips/ufa
Crash-and-Bang

Hanifin-Tanev
UFA-Andersson
Mackey-Nasty guy with edge

Markstrom
Veteran

If that were to happen they would have Gio in the lineup.

What about Tkachuk, Hanifin, 1st? Hanifin has to be our most valuable piece, and moving him allows us to keep some depth.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

If that were to happen they would have Gio in the lineup.

What about Tkachuk, Hanifin, 1st? Hanifin has to be our most valuable piece, and moving him allows us to keep some depth.

Easy decline if I’m Buffalo. Based on Tkachuk contract and no center coming back.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Easy decline if I’m Buffalo.

I’d decline any offer from any team if I was Buffalo and he wasn’t asking to leave (if he is). What beats it?

Don’t forget they have cozens. We aren’t going to be able to help them at C.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by NewFan

The problem is after trading Eichel we won't have any asset to improve our team. If we could trade only Monahan for Eichel then we may have some asset to upgrade some positions, otherwise we will stay average team for 2-3 years at least.

If we can trade Monny for Eichel, why stop there?

Let’s shop Lucic for Kucherov.


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[N-E-B]

If we could land Eichel while only giving up one roster player (Tkachuk likely) I think we’re a significantly better team.

Monahan sewered Gaudreau this year. And Gaudreau is the perfect player to be the second best player on the team. If you land Eichel I think that would go a long way in re-signing Johnny.

Centre depth of Eichel/Lindholm/Monahan/Backlund would be pretty damn good.