Matthew Tkachuk's Contract Situation

[kyuss275]

I’m only trading Tkachuk if it involves a #1 center. I wouldn’t trade him for a different winger , or a dman. It’s #1 center or sign him long term for me. Grabbing a “pest” that is actually a top 6 forward is hard to come by.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I’m only trading Tkachuk if it involves a #1 center. I wouldn’t trade him for a different winger , or a dman. It’s #1 center or sign him long term for me. Grabbing a “pest” that is actually a top 6 forward is hard to come by.

He does have to work on the top 6 part to earn the money he thinks he deserves

[Classic_Sniper]

For those who want to trade Tkachuk for Eichel, I get why and understand the reasoning, but 2 questions I have is:


1. How does the right wing side get fixed with Tkachuk?

2. What do you do with the other centers? Unless you like the idea of having nearly $27M tied up into 4 centers?

[Bourque's Twin]

Drain the swamp (Monahan, Gaudreau) and let Tkachuk become his old self.

When his GAF level was at an all-time high, he was criticized by teammates.

Drain the swamp and let Sutter help Tkachuk mature. He's not a player that's easy to come by and we should keep him. We need guys who GAF.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

For those who want to trade Tkachuk for Eichel, I get why and understand the reasoning, but 2 questions I have is:


1. How does the right wing side get fixed with Tkachuk?

2. What do you do with the other centers? Unless you like the idea of having nearly $27M tied up into 4 centers?

I am assuming also that Backlund or Monahan get moved for something - maybe a RW. And if so, I'd love Ryan back at a couple million.

ETA: heck, you could buy out Monahan and save $4M (and pay $2M for nothing for a couple more years).

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

For those who want to trade Tkachuk for Eichel, I get why and understand the reasoning, but 2 questions I have is:



2. What do you do with the other centers? Unless you like the idea of having nearly $27M tied up into 4 centers?

Who cares…you clear room for Eichel

Lindholm can move to Eichel’s wing
Monahan can go
Ryan is probably gone

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Not sure if i'm in minority here or not, but I'm not really interested in trading Matthew Tkachuk even with the QO. The Gaudreau-Lindholm-Tkachuk line is pretty much the only above (league) average line this team has and I think they can carry and propel this team to the next level. It took a long time for this organization to put them together, but it works and works really well.

Gio and Tanev is the other above (league) average pairing. I have a hard time seeing Darryl being ok with exposing his #1 defenseman just to keep his #4 guy Hanifin. Darryl doesn't come off as an agist either, so I doubt he cares that Hanifin is 14 years younger. Iunno, maybe I'll be proven wrong, but it's just an inkling I have.

You are not alone, I love that trio as a line and also believe they can be a force if given more time together. It does feel like we are in the minority these days though.

I wonder what comes of the whole expansion process in regards to our dmen cause the Flames won’t want to lose any of their top 4 guys for nothing.

This is a big reason I think the main pieces for Eichel should be Monahan and Hanifin. Toss in picks & prospects to balance it out and you don’t expose anyone to Seattle really aside from Kylington, Gawdin and Phillips.

The salary balances fairly well $11.325mill to Buffalo for $10mill Eichel, Buffalo have a need for a top 4 LHed dman and would probably want a top 6C to replace Eichel.

Ristolainan wants out so Buffalo can trade him and protect Hanifin, Dahlin and Jokiharju on D.

A lot of assumptions but that’s how I would like to see it go.

I know everyone is adverse to trading Hanifin right now but last offseason he was deemed expendable and you need to give up good pieces to get good pieces back.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

For those who want to trade Tkachuk for Eichel, I get why and understand the reasoning, but 2 questions I have is:


1. How does the right wing side get fixed with Tkachuk?

2. What do you do with the other centers? Unless you like the idea of having nearly $27M tied up into 4 centers?

Lindholm is the RW on that top line with Gaudreau and Eichel. Could be the best line in the league

[ForeverFlameFan]

Lindholm would be the 2C, imo.

But, when the 3rd period rolls around and we need a go-ahead goal/game-tying goal/insurance marker, you can definitely load up the top line with him flanking Eichel and Gaudreau.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

For those who want to trade Tkachuk for Eichel, I get why and understand the reasoning, but 2 questions I have is:


1. How does the right wing side get fixed with Tkachuk?

First of all, there're two halves to this:

A) The Powerplay

So as far as the powerplay goes, you've actually balanced out your top PP unit, you have two RHS forwards (Eichel and Lindholm), and two LHS forwards (Gaudreau being one).

The most consistently dangerous PPs in the league almost unequivocally use this setup. Let's use Tampa and Washington as the examples.

RHS one timer option on the left wing side - Stamkos/Ovechkin. This is the role Eichel has historically played on the Sabres powerplay.

LHS playmaker option on the right wing side - Kucherov/Kuznetsov. Gaudreau's played here a bit, but we don't use him here nearly enough.

RHS snap shot option in the bumper area - Point/Oshie. Since the play is coming from the right side to the center, it doesn't have to cross a RHS forward's body, and they can get the shot off as soon as the pass is made, allowing for a more dangerous offense. Lindholm would be right at home here. Alternatively, you put a LHS like Mangiapane or Monahan on the bumper, where Eichel is the one finding him from the left side.

LHS netfront-ish area playmaker/tipper - Killorn/Backstrom. Of course I'd love to hang on to Tkachuk for this role, but I think Mangiapane can be a LHS version of Brendan Gallagher. If Mangiapane or Monahan are playing bumper, Lindholm has also shown skill in netfront tips.

B) 5-on-5

It's not that hard to find players who can produce and play a solid 200 foot game from the wing position. When you have a center like Eichel, he makes everyone around him profoundly better. We're just not used to having a center of that caliber. There's one more factor here...

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

2. What do you do with the other centers? Unless you like the idea of having nearly $27M tied up into 4 centers?

Well, if Eichel, Lindholm, and Backlund are your guys, you have two options for Monahan

A) Play him as a winger.

This isn't an awful option as he has reduced responsibility and can still take some faceoffs. There's nor reason a guy like Monahan, assuming this year is just a blip, can't adjust to that position given his hockey sense and shooting skill. So you could ostensibly roll something like

Gaudreau - Eichel - Monahan
Dube - Lindholm - Mangiapane

as your top six

B) Trade him for a winger prospect

Don't forget, how did we acquire Jarome Iginla?

I think his trade value is lower than his real value right now, but if there's an option to acquire an A-prospect who is speedy, skilled, responsible, and expansion-exempt - I think you have to consider that. A team on the cusp might be willing to do that trade. So instead your roster maybe becomes:

Gaudreau - Eichel - Mangiapane
Dube - Lindholm - (A-Prospect=Monahan)

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

First of all, there're two halves to this:

A) The Powerplay

So as far as the powerplay goes, you've actually balanced out your top PP unit, you have two RHS forwards (Eichel and Lindholm), and two LHS forwards (Gaudreau being one).

The most consistently dangerous PPs in the league almost unequivocally use this setup. Let's use Tampa and Washington as the examples.

RHS one timer option on the left wing side - Stamkos/Ovechkin. This is the role Eichel has historically played on the Sabres powerplay.

LHS playmaker option on the right wing side - Kucherov/Kuznetsov. Gaudreau's played here a bit, but we don't use him here nearly enough.

RHS snap shot option in the bumper area - Point/Oshie. Since the play is coming from the right side to the center, it doesn't have to cross a RHS forward's body, and they can get the shot off as soon as the pass is made, allowing for a more dangerous offense. Lindholm would be right at home here. Alternatively, you put a LHS like Mangiapane or Monahan on the bumper, where Eichel is the one finding him from the left side.

LHS netfront-ish area playmaker/tipper - Killorn/Backstrom. Of course I'd love to hang on to Tkachuk for this role, but I think Mangiapane can be a LHS version of Brendan Gallagher. If Mangiapane or Monahan are playing bumper, Lindholm has also shown skill in netfront tips.

B) 5-on-5

It's not that hard to find players who can produce and play a solid 200 foot game from the wing position. When you have a center like Eichel, he makes everyone around him profoundly better. We're just not used to having a center of that caliber. There's one more factor here...



Well, if Eichel, Lindholm, and Backlund are your guys, you have two options for Monahan

A) Play him as a winger.

This isn't an awful option as he has reduced responsibility and can still take some faceoffs. There's nor reason a guy like Monahan, assuming this year is just a blip, can't adjust to that position given his hockey sense and shooting skill. So you could ostensibly roll something like

Gaudreau - Eichel - Monahan
Dube - Lindholm - Mangiapane

as your top six

B) Trade him for a winger prospect

Don't forget, how did we acquire Jarome Iginla?

I think his trade value is lower than his real value right now, but if there's an option to acquire an A-prospect who is speedy, skilled, responsible, and expansion-exempt - I think you have to consider that. A team on the cusp might be willing to do that trade. So instead your roster maybe becomes:

Gaudreau - Eichel - Mangiapane
Dube - Lindholm - (A-Prospect=Monahan)

No one is giving you an A-type prospect for Monny.

It's debatable if anyone would claim him on waivers, considering the year he has had (really two years), and the increasingly awareness of the value of cap space. Anyone looking at obtaining Monny needs to see a healthy Monny producing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No one is giving you an A-type prospect for Monny.

It's debatable if anyone would claim him on waivers, considering the year he has had (really two years), and the increasingly awareness of the value of cap space. Anyone looking at obtaining Monny needs to see a healthy Monny producing.

I don’t know that Iggy was an A type prospect. Ranked 15th, drafted 11th.

"Everything good, nothing outstanding," said one scout. "He might be the sleeper of the first round." I'll say. "He's not likely to ever be a star but he has a good chance to be a player."

http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com...ars-later.html

I suppose he may have been more highly thought of by the time the trade happened TBF.

[1qqaaz]

Wasn't Jordan Staal traded for the 8th overall pick at the draft in 2012?
Staal only had a 50 point season that year and at that point in his career it was pretty clear he was nothing too special.

Anything is possible I supposed. 2012 was a very weak draft, though this one might be as well.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t know that Iggy was an A type prospect. Ranked 15th, drafted 11th.

"Everything good, nothing outstanding," said one scout. "He might be the sleeper of the first round." I'll say. "He's not likely to ever be a star but he has a good chance to be a player."

http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com...ars-later.html

I suppose he may have been more highly thought of by the time the trade happened TBF.

Thanks, that was a pretty interesting thing to revisit

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

No one is giving you an A-type prospect for Monny.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t know that Iggy was an A type prospect.

So just to clarify, when I say A-Prospect, I mean a prospect who might be a team's best, and has a high ceiling - but not necessarily a prospect who is a blue-chipper. I'd visualize Iggy at that time as an A-prospect but perhaps not a blue-chip prospect.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t know that Iggy was an A type prospect. Ranked 15th, drafted 11th.

"Everything good, nothing outstanding," said one scout. "He might be the sleeper of the first round." I'll say. "He's not likely to ever be a star but he has a good chance to be a player."

http://www.greatesthockeylegends.com...ars-later.html

I suppose he may have been more highly thought of by the time the trade happened TBF.

The post referred to Monny being traded for an A-type prospect. It was not my word.

Plus Iggy had played another half season in junior at the time of the trade. When drafted he was scoring about 1 point per game. In the next year, he increased it to two points per game.


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[timbit]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

So just to clarify, when I say A-Prospect, I mean a prospect who might be a team's best, and has a high ceiling - but not necessarily a prospect who is a blue-chipper. I'd visualize Iggy at that time as an A-prospect but perhaps not a blue-chip prospect.

Iginla was a certain blue chip prospect when he was traded to Calgary.

He was in the middle of a 2 plus point per game pace season with Kamloops, while playing a pugnacious style.

He was the key player in trading for a perennial 40 plus goal scorer....in Nieuwendyk.

Both teams did very well in that trade. Dallas won a Cup with Joe being a big cog.

He won the Conn Smythe,

[MrMike]

And the Flames wanted Todd Harvey as the prospect but Dallas wouldn’t budge.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by timbit

Iginla was a certain blue chip prospect when he was traded to Calgary.

He was in the middle of a 2 plus point per game pace season with Kamloops, while playing a pugnacious style.

He was the key player in trading for a perennial 40 plus goal scorer....in Nieuwendyk.

Both teams did very well in that trade. Dallas won a Cup with Joe being a big cog.

He won the Conn Smythe,

Yeah his value was already building that season - though his coming out party, to the Flames fans at least, was the WJCs that year. That's when we first got a true sense of what he could be.

I also liked Corey Millen.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah his value was already building that season - though his coming out party, to the Flames fans at least, was the WJCs that year. That's when we first got a true sense of what he could be.

I also liked Corey Millen.

I think we are on the same page. Iginla was traded before the WJC ...correct?