The 2020-21 Calgary Flames are eliminated from Playoff Contention.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by troutman

The fake canned crowd noise often seemed louder than the real fans at the Dome.

I think it spooked the players

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

Treliving seems extremely smart.

He's actually the smartest man in the room at any given time.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

He's actually the smartest man in the room at any given time.

What if Jay Feaster and John Weisbroad enter the room?

Not really sure what Treliving has done to receive that criticism. Did he make a trade or draft pick that he thought he was sneaky smart with and told people how great this would turn out?

To me smartest guy in the room moves are ones like drafting a high school kid in the first round and declare he will be the best player in that draft 10 years later or trading a 2nd along with Regehr so they could dump a contract that the Sabres ended up burying in Europe so they could offer a 31 year old a 9 year $66M contract offer so he could help our 33 year old forward and 34 year old goalie win a cup

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What if Jay Feaster and John Weisbroad enter the room?

Not really sure what Treliving has done to receive that criticism. Did he make a trade or draft pick that he thought he was sneaky smart with and told people how great this would turn out?

To me smartest guy in the room moves are ones like drafting a high school kid in the first round and declare he will be the best player in that draft 10 years later or trading a 2nd along with Regehr so they could dump a contract that the Sabres ended up burying in Europe so they could offer a 31 year old a 9 year $66M contract offer so he could help our 33 year old forward and 34 year old goalie win a cup

The phrase is famous with respect to the Enron guys (and it was so true about how their Calgary office treated negotiations, like everyone else was an idiot for not seeing their genius strategies).

Treliving's flaw is that I think he's a bit reactionary and not as long term in his thinking. He sees holes and wants to fill them quickly, and sometimes guesses wrong with who should fill that spot.

[Buck Murdock]

Treliving is an ideal assistant GM. He's good at winning deals, but he lacks a vision of what a winning team is supposed to be. He said he wanted a heavy team that's build for the playoffs...but everything he's done goes against that. Darryl was the opposite, he has a clear vision of what it takes to win, but was terrible at making trades.

[Azhouse]

^^ Maybe second smartest to those two. I just get sick of all the process talk. "It's a process". What is your process Brad? Ride slow weak players to the bottom of the league? Re-upping a coach in the offseason who botched the lineup in the playoffs last year? Fill the roster with league minimum plugs that provide no added value (Simon LOL)? Tkachuk's contract ($9 mil coming up for all talk and no action). Mishandling young team drafted players by signing league minimum plugs and KHL players. He'll protect Backlund and Gio if he stays - book it.

[Erick Estrada]

Yeah I don't think Treliving is at all similar to the previous regime. I personally think he's more cut out to be an assistant GM as he seems like a tireless worker which is what a GM would want from his assistant doing a lot of legwork, contract negotiations, etc. His shortcomings are hard to overcome as he has absolutely no clue when it comes to hiring a head coach, pro scouting, and for a younger GM he's very old school overly focusing on defense, defense, defense. I can see why Burke liked him as he's not as progressive thinking as you would have hoped for a relatively young GM.

[Roof-Daddy]

I think one of Treliving's faults is too much tinkering without actually getting the trade completed. A lot of the trades not getting completed may not have been his fault, but when you basically trade your players, it's leaked, and then falls through, you probably end up with a lot of players who have a sour taste in their mouths.

Right or wrong, I don't think anybody likes to hear they were included in a trade that fell through, and that happened a few times to the players on this roster.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

^^ Maybe second smartest to those two. I just get sick of all the process talk. "It's a process". What is your process Brad? Ride slow weak players to the bottom of the league? Re-upping a coach in the offseason who botched the lineup in the playoffs last year? Fill the roster with league minimum plugs that provide no added value (Simon LOL)? Tkachuk's contract ($9 mil coming up for all talk and no action). Mishandling young team drafted players by signing league minimum plugs and KHL players. He'll protect Backlund and Gio if he stays - book it.

Again, I have never actually heard Treliving say "it's a process", much less "trust the process". It's urban legend around here.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Again, I have never actually heard Treliving say "it's a process"

Have you never actually listened to a treliving interview?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Have you never actually listened to a treliving interview?

I've listened to many, and I stand by that statement.

[Manhattanboy]

When I hear Tre speak he is more press secretary than GM.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've listened to many, and I stand by that statement.

What a bizarre statement for you to stand by considering that word has been freaking memed by the Flames fandom by now from its overuse.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Paging AC to do up a compilation of Treliving saying "process" over the past 7 years.... that would be longer than ROTK Extended Edition lol.

[Vinny01]

I don’t think Treliving has ever said “Trust the process” that is the now famous quote of former 76ers GM Sam Hinke who tanked that roster for years until they hit on a couple of draft picks and after years of sucking he always said “trust the process”. Joel Embiid who is one of their franchise centers made the comment a bunch as the team rose in the standings.


Treliving had referenced the “process” in literally every interview he has given but I don’t remember hearing him utter the “trust the process” slogan

[SuperMatt18]

To me Treliving was okay at the early stages of what should have been a rebuild.

His RFA signings, and drafting (with the picks we have was strong), and I think he was a good GM for the "Building" stage. He also made strong "seller" type of deals early on with the moves of Hudler, Glencross, and Russell, and even moved a guy like Sven at the right time getting decent value in return.

The problems started when we started trying to rush the building "Stage" and started taking more "shots" with more short sighting win now moves.

Brouwer
Neal
Hamonic
Elliott

Those were the short sighted "Win Now" moves he made, where he tried to add more experience and grit to a team that he thought needed that grit and leadership. And that was where him and his pro-scouting team really failed. And the problem was he was mortgaging too much of the future, especially in terms of 2nd and 3rd round picks to get that done.

Then since we were in "win-now" mode he didn't make the moves he probably should have been making for long term success and held on to Brodie, Hamonic instead of selling them (part of that is COVID/Injury related too), and should have maybe sold earlier on Monahan (and maybe Gaudreau - although we have the benefit of hindsight there).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

What a bizarre statement for you to stand by considering that word has been freaking memed by the Flames fandom by now from its overuse.

Exactly so - my point is that maybe he used it once or twice early but it's this site that pretends it's some sort of a thing.

[Erick Estrada]

I can understand Elliot seeing the team needed to improve goaltending. It didn't work out but I can't criticize him for that move. The other moves were terrible with the Hamonic trade being an organization crippling move in regards to the prospect base made in hopes of accelerating the progress of the team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I don’t think Treliving has ever said “Trust the process” that is the now famous quote of former 76ers GM Sam Hinke who tanked that roster for years until they hit on a couple of draft picks and after years of sucking he always said “trust the process”. Joel Embiid who is one of their franchise centers made the comment a bunch as the team rose in the standings.


Treliving had referenced the “process” in literally every interview he has given but I don’t remember hearing him utter the “trust the process” slogan

See that's the thing. He maybe have said "I'm going through the process" on a coaching hire or some sort of run up to a draft. But I have literally never heard him reference "the process" as some sort of team building philosophy or guiding principle. And yes, I'd love to see a reel of the times he's done so. I don't mind being proven wrong at all.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I can understand Elliot seeing the team needed to improve goaltending. It didn't work out but I can't criticize him for that move. The other moves were terrible with the Hamonic trade being an organization crippling move in regards to the prospect base made in hopes of accelerating the progress of the team.

I think the Neal move was worse than Hamonic as far as effect on the team up until now, i.e. the on ice failures so far.

The Hamonic move is only right now at the beginning stages of taking any effect. By that I mean the picks that were moved would only just now be trying to make the team. So going forward from now on maybe it's the worse move. But even so, it was a failure of player identification. If he'd done the same trade for Tanev back then, same price and everything, I think it would arguably have been called a successful move. And you'd have had a useful asset in any event, notwithstanding wins and losses.