[News] Jake Virtanen on leave from the Canucks after sexual misconduct allegation

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

“Sorry, I made made a mistake, of course I think that .... “ would have gone a long way.

Humility died with the internet.

Fair.

I've never found myself in that position on this board, so was kind of a fish out of water as to how to handle it.

[zamler]

Humanity is doomed.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by zamler

Humanity is doomed.

You just noticed?

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[zamler]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

You just noticed?

Had a few shreds of hope. Had.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by zamler

Had a few shreds of hope. Had.

This past 14 months have taken that away from a few folks.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

One time I travelled to Colombia in my younger years and was robbed at gunpoint. I was somewhere I should not have been at a time where I should not have been. At the end of the day, you should try not to leave your personal security in the hands or decision-making of other people. You'll quickly realize how poor of a judgement other people have.

I'll bet when you reported the robbery to the police and your insurance provider, when you got back to Canada and told your friends none of them, not one told you that they didn't think you got robbed because well you were asking for it weren't you? and all those Christmas gifts you have given away over the tears clearly you are always giving it away and so how could you be robbed really

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I'll bet when you reported the robbery to the police and your insurance provider, when you got back to Canada and told your friends none of them, not one told you that they didn't think you got robbed because well you were asking for it weren't you? and all those Christmas gifts you have given away over the tears clearly you are always giving it away and so how could you be robbed really

That’s what you took from my post? That’s too bad.

Btw. I didn’t report the incident to the police or any insurance provider. And yes - my family and friends did blame me. But your lack of understanding of my post ....is well like i said... too bad.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

That’s what you took from my post? That’s too bad.

Btw. I didn’t report the incident to the police or any insurance provider. And yes - my family and friends did blame me. But your lack of understanding of my post ....is well like i said... too bad.

At this point, I think everyone but you understood your post.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Well put.

There's a huge difference between acknowledging dangers in the world and trying to avoid them vs victim blaming.
Only in the simple world of internet forums are those 2 things the same.

Why is acknowledging and avoiding dangers in the world part of this conversation at all? Why even bring it up?

If people are insinuating the victim should have done more to avoid the situation, that is victim blaming plain and simple.

We live in a civilized society where no means no. If misconduct occurred, it is 100% on the perp and 0% on the victim.

[shadowlord]

VPD investigating sexual misconduct claims against Canucks Jake Virtanen
https://www.citynews1130.com/2021/05...jake-virtanen/

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why is acknowledging and avoiding dangers in the world part of this conversation at all? Why even bring it up?

If people are insinuating the victim should have done more to avoid the situation, that is victim blaming plain and simple.

We live in a civilized society where no means no. If misconduct occurred, it is 100% on the perp and 0% on the victim.

And why do men feel as though they need to be the ones to bring it up? People who do not truly know, or understand, the dangers and difficulties unique to being a woman, but just enough to lecture about the dangers I guess.

As if the victim didn't know. As if they knew better. What's the point in bringing it up?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why is acknowledging and avoiding dangers in the world part of this conversation at all? Why even bring it up?

I didn't bring it up but I can understand why the poster who is raising a daughter did and the context in which they did.
While we work towards a perfect utopia, the real world will still happen.

If people are insinuating the victim should have done more to avoid the situation, that is victim blaming plain and simple.

We live in a civilized society where no means no. If misconduct occurred, it is 100% on the perp and 0% on the victim.

Fully agree but the post I quoted didn't insinuate this victim should have done more or they were any % responsible for it.
The poster was talking about raising children in a dangerous world and that's it.

I'm not interested in connecting the dots to pin people into saying thing they never said, just to sit on a high horse and shout down at them.
I took that person's quote as it was written.

[Northendzone]

does anyone have a sense of what could happen here?

I was thinking that last week the Jays parted ways with Alomar over misconduct (I am unclear if law enforcement is looking into his case or not).

But I wonder could the Canucks part ways with Virtanen in a similar manner? Or would that only happen if charges were laid or he is found guilty?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And why do men feel as though they need to be the ones to bring it up? People who do not truly know, or understand, the dangers and difficulties unique to being a woman, but just enough to lecture about the dangers I guess.

As if the victim didn't know. As if they knew better. What's the point in bringing it up?

I think we 100% know the point behind bringing it up.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

does anyone have a sense of what could happen here?

I was thinking that last week the Jays parted ways with Alomar over misconduct (I am unclear if law enforcement is looking into his case or not).

But I wonder could the Canucks part ways with Virtanen in a similar manner? Or would that only happen if charges were laid or he is found guilty?

At this point, it seems doubtful that charges will be laid. The Vancouver police said that they have no record of anyone filing a complaint about an NHL hockey player in 2017, which contradicts other reports that there was one filed. They have asked the victim to come forward and file one though, so we will see if the person is up for it (it's possible the person made the complaint with a different police department). But without a formal victim statement, it would be difficult to prove something in a court I think.

For the Canucks, I think (I am not a lawyer), they just need to demonstrate that on a balance of probabilities that Virtanen was engaged in behaviour detrimental to the team. I imagine they are interviewing team mates and hotel staff to see if they can place him with the victim around the time the alleged crime took place, and then they can make a decision. I suspect Virtanen may be able to appeal though, which could bring a civil case against the Canucks, which would make them have to demonstrate the balance of probabilities in a court. It's a lower bar than "reasonable doubt" in a criminal trial though.

His contract probably also has a social media policy, so they probably looking at whatever apps he used to connect with the person, which could be the smoking gun. If he refuses to comply, that could be all they need.

[Jiri Hrdina]

If Vancouver wants to walk away the cleanest way to do so is a buyout. He has one year remaining so it would not be severe.
Suspect they would have a hard time trading him.
Next stop for Jake is the KHL.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And why do men feel as though they need to be the ones to bring it up? People who do not truly know, or understand, the dangers and difficulties unique to being a woman, but just enough to lecture about the dangers I guess.

As if the victim didn't know. As if they knew better. What's the point in bringing it up?

Are you a female?
Would be good to hear some female perspectives in this thread.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If Vancouver wants to walk away the cleanest way to do so is a buyout. He has one year remaining so it would not be severe.
Suspect they would have a hard time trading him.
Next stop for Jake is the KHL.

I think its a ways away from that at this point

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

If Vancouver wants to walk away the cleanest way to do so is a buyout. He has one year remaining so it would not be severe.
Suspect they would have a hard time trading him.
Next stop for Jake is the KHL.

The rumour is that his contract is going to be terminated for breach a la Brendan Leipsic.

This season has been a #### show almost from the word go and this is just the final straw for me. Between all the health ####, my team's back office and ownership becoming a three ring circus, and now this I'm ready for 21-22 now.

Originally Posted by Weitz

I think its a ways away from that at this point

Apparently not that far. As early as next week.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

At this point, I think everyone but you understood your post.

You must be a bundle of joy to be around. Letting people know the meaning of their sentences. You must have telepathic abilities!