Bedard/Michkov Sweepstakes

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I mean seriously, even if the Flames blew it to smitherines and finished 32nd overall for the next two seasons, do you really think they'd win the 1st overall pick?

This is the Flames people.

We have to get one oneday!

But seriously, our time is due. Any day now Bettman.

[Knut]

Bedard is just in time for Pittsburgh to be terrible.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Connor McDavid's 15 year old season: 1.05 points per game
Connor Bedard's 15 year old season: 1.87 points per game

Looking forwarding to Bedard stealing a lot of the attention.

oh great, now we know what's going to happen here...thanks alot

[GioforPM]

I read somewhere that for most teams making the POs is the difference between making and losing money. So while I like a tank, I can see why the owners don’t. They lose money probably for a couple years before and maybe a couple after. That’s 10s of millions to swallow. And a deep PO run in 5 years maybe doesn’t make up for it.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm all in on Shane Wright of the next draft. No offense to Bedard and Michkov but for me Wright is the answer to the question we are all asking. Straight up direct competition to McDavid.

So you'd say he's the Wright answer?

[Wolfman]

You know things are bad when you're talking about tanking for a draft 2 years from now.

[delayedreflex]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I mean seriously, even if the Flames blew it to smitherines and finished 32nd overall for the next two seasons, do you really think they'd win the 1st overall pick?

This is the Flames people.

Yeah no kidding - finishing last overall still gives you a greater chance to pick 3rd overall (65%) than top two. I'm sure there will be stiff competition for tanking, so if you finish say, 5th last you only have like a 17% chance at a top two pick. It's a lot riskier to tank nowadays than years past.

[Wastedyouth]

There is also no guarantee a tank will work.

Look at Buffalo, New Jersey, et al.

These teams aren't something to emulate.

It took Edmonton 50 tries just to have the second best team in a weak canadian division.

Tanking and getting first over all isn't really a guarantee of success.

Invest more into scouting and talent evaluation. It is basically the only way out of this.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

There is also no guarantee a tank will work.

Look at Buffalo, New Jersey, et al.

These teams aren't something to emulate.

It took Edmonton 50 tries just to have the second best team in a weak canadian division.

Tanking and getting first over all isn't really a guarantee of success.

Invest more into scouting and talent evaluation. It is basically the only way out of this.

Why not both? Isn't that a winning formula? Buffalo/NJ have failed because the latter doesn't exist. For every Buffalo/NJ, there is a Pittsburgh, Washington, Tampa.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Maybe the league wants to manufacture some drama and have the Battle of Connor-ta and they'll gift us Bedard.

If there was any true justice in this world it would be the Flames selecting Bedard, who subsequently overtakes McDavid as the best player in the league as the hobo enters his 30's and all the media and chatter is on Bedard instead of McDavid for the first time in a decade.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

There is also no guarantee a tank will work.

Look at Buffalo, New Jersey, et al.

These teams aren't something to emulate.

It took Edmonton 50 tries just to have the second best team in a weak canadian division.

Tanking and getting first over all isn't really a guarantee of success.

Invest more into scouting and talent evaluation. It is basically the only way out of this.

Well I know what's not going to work.

Look at the top teams in the league and identify where they acquired their talent.

[CSharp]

Flames had more of a chance with McDavid and Draisaitl. They'll screw things up whenever possible. I think the Flames have more of a chance to trade for Eichel than intentionally tank to get a good opportunity at a draft position. The Flames must abide by Murphy's law when it comes to franchise business decisions after Fletcher left the Flames.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

There is also no guarantee a tank will work.

Look at Buffalo, New Jersey, et al.

These teams aren't something to emulate.

It took Edmonton 50 tries just to have the second best team in a weak canadian division.

Tanking and getting first over all isn't really a guarantee of success.

Invest more into scouting and talent evaluation. It is basically the only way out of this.

Buffalo has a ton of valuable young players. Notably Eichel and Dahlin.
New Jersey does as well, plus they have the most cap space in the league. If they use it, look out for a huge jump in the standings.
Both of these teams will get yet another top prospects after the 2021 draft.

Most fans would gladly trade The entire Flames system/roster with either of these teams.
Although Skinner's contract is extremely bad.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Buffalo has a ton of valuable young players. Notably Eichel and Dahlin.
New Jersey does as well, plus they have the most cap space in the league. If they use it, look out for a huge jump in the standings.
Both of these teams will get yet another top prospects after the 2021 draft.

Most fans would gladly trade The entire Flames system/roster with either of these teams.
Although Skinner's contract is extremely bad.

Would you? Would you trade the Flames and their pretty consistent success (regular season, winning more often than not) to Buffalo who does have some talent, who dont want to be there and they STILL can't win?

The Devils are in no better shape.

Yay for them for their high draft picks, nothing has come of it.

The majority of people on this board can't handle a single rough season like this one without some major freaking out, could you imagine if we were having seasons like the Devils or Buffalo has had for the last decade or so?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

There is also no guarantee a tank will work.

Look at Buffalo, New Jersey, et al.

These teams aren't something to emulate.

It took Edmonton 50 tries just to have the second best team in a weak canadian division.

Tanking and getting first over all isn't really a guarantee of success.

Invest more into scouting and talent evaluation. It is basically the only way out of this.

There is no guarantee that re-tooling works either, as sadly, we have all come to know.

After this year, the next two drafts have 2 Crosby-level prospects and three Malkin-level prospects.

It's an almost unprecedented opportunity to have a really good chance at getting at least one franchise player. If this team was good right now, I would be against it, but as of right now, I see no chance of a contender window opening any time in the next 2 or 3 years anyway.

If it's a choice between finishing between 15th and 20th over the next three seasons, I take my chances tanking.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

There is no guarantee that re-tooling works either, as sadly, we have all come to know.

After this year, the next two drafts have 2 Crosby-level prospects and three Malkin-level prospects.

It's an almost unprecedented opportunity to have a really good chance at getting at least one franchise player. If this team was good right now, I would be against it, but as of right now, I see no chance of a contender window opening any time in the next 2 or 3 years anyway.

If it's a choice between finishing between 15th and 20th over the next three seasons, I take my chances tanking.

True, so essentially what you are saying is we suck and we will always suck and all options are equally bad.

I can get on board for that.

[manwiches]

I get to watch Bedard for a paltry $15 + beer and concession money once they open up to fans next year. I am excite.

i got to watch Sam Steel before he went to the ducks too.

Bedard is next level

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Knut

Bedard is just in time for Pittsburgh to be terrible.

That would push me over my limit.

Edmonton and Pittsburgh have enjoyed two eras of having the best players in the world.

Sprinkle in Jagr, Malkin, Draisatl and the plethora of elite 80’s Oilers and it’s just ridiculous.

Last two teams to deserve any lottery favours.

Haha I don’t think I would recover if either won the lottery again.

[Jore]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Would you? Would you trade the Flames and their pretty consistent success (regular season, winning more often than not) to Buffalo who does have some talent, who dont want to be there and they STILL can't win?

The Devils are in no better shape.

Yay for them for their high draft picks, nothing has come of it.

The majority of people on this board can't handle a single rough season like this one without some major freaking out, could you imagine if we were having seasons like the Devils or Buffalo has had for the last decade or so?

Only a Flames fan could call the Flames' recent results "pretty consistent success." Yes, I'd take the Devils roster over the Flames. They're certainly not world beaters right but they have blue chip talent coming the ranks, a plan, and consistent execution of that plan. I'd bet on them competing for a cup faster than we will.

The majority of this board can't handle this season because many people saw the problems coming. The team has been stagnant since Jan 2019 and other teams have improved. The GM has sat on his hands and made sideways deals to keep the Flames in our classic 15th-25th place position. We're saddled with declining assets, bloated contracts, and few prospects. I doubt people would have much to criticize if the management announced a plan to actually get us competing for championships openly and stuck to it.

It's pretty amazing how the vast majority of sports franchises have figured out that the way to compete for a championship in the North American league system is to go through cycles of tanking and competing. Yet the Flames soldier on, mediocre for 30 years, patching holes with draft picks, making sideways deals while our talent level gets outpaced by other teams around us. We fight for a chance to get knocked out of the first round. But hey, why fix what's not broken?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

That would push me over my limit.

Edmonton and Pittsburgh have enjoyed two eras of having the best players in the world.

Sprinkle in Jagr, Malkin, Draisatl and the plethora of elite 80’s Oilers and it’s just ridiculous.

Last two teams to deserve any lottery favours.

Haha I don’t think I would recover if either won the lottery again.

The most convincing argument I've read that we are actually in hell being tortured right now. If Bedard goes to edmonton it is confirmed.